The cost of third world African immigration

[dukeofpain]

And the politicians speak of "gun control", ha, I piss on all of their graves!



Toronto police release name, details of shooting victim


Last Updated Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:40:49 EST
CBC News

Toronto Police have released a name and other details about a 15-year-old girl who was shot and killed on Boxing Day when gunfire broke out in a downtown area bustling with shoppers.

Late Wednesday, with the authorization of the victim's family, Det. Savas Kyriacou identified her as Jane Creba.


Jane Creba was a Grade 10 student at a Toronto high school, police said as they released this photo.
"Jane was a Grade 10 student at Riverdale Collegiate," Kyriacou said.

He also released the results of a post-mortem examination.

"Cause of death was determined to be a bullet wound to the body."

Creba was gunned down early Monday evening during a shootout between two groups of young men on busy Yonge Street, which was packed with other innocent bystanders. She had been shopping with her mother.




FROM DEC. 26, 2005: Teen killed as bullets fly among shoppers in downtown Toronto

In a statement released Wednesday, her parents called her a best friend to her sister, protector of her younger brother and a caring soul.

Creba, who lived in the city's east end, was described as a top student and excellent athlete.

Creba was 'the funniest, prettiest and all around nicest person'

Friends and classmates writing on the internet remembered Creba as a warm person who was full of enthusiasm.

"She was honest to God the funniest, prettiest and all around nicest person...," one classmate wrote about her on a blog.

"I can't think of a single person who didn't like her and everyone loved laughing and joking with her. She had the nicest fun-loving attitude towards everything and I know that everyone will miss her."




A man pauses to light a candle at a makeshift memorial where the Yonge Street shooting took place.
A makeshift memorial of flowers, candles, and stuffed animals has been set up to mark the site of her death, on a stretch of sidewalk several blocks north of the Eaton Centre shopping mall.

'Significant progress' in probe: police chief

Earlier in the day, the city's police chief said his force was making "very significant progress" in investigating the incident, which also left six people with injuries.

Bill Blair told CBC News that police have a number of leads and are awaiting the results of forensic, ballistic and DNA tests.



A lot of information is coming in from witnesses at the scene. Investigators are also reviewing video taken in the area of the shooting, he said.

"The investigation is very active and we're making very significant progress and I'm very confident we'll get to the bottom of this and bring the people responsible to justice."


Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair said witnesses have been providing a lot of information about the shooting.
Police have said all the victims – four males and three females – were innocent bystanders.


Gang feud may have spurred shooting: reports

A feud between rival gang members may have sparked the shooting, published reports said.

Police believe 10 to 15 people in their late teens to early 20s from two different groups were involved in an exchange of gunfire.

Within an hour of the shooting, police arrested two young men at a nearby subway station, where they recovered a gun. By Wednesday, it was still uncertain if the two were involved in the violence. No charges had been laid.

Police said there could be more arrests.

[DeLacroix]

The gangs of black men in Toronto, are they somalis? It's really sad to hear that such a safe and peaceful country, has ended up in this situation. really distressing.

[greatness]

And what about the 50 million Native Americans those damn whites killed. And what about the 6 million Jews Hitler killed. We've all been there, we've all killed and we all been killed.

It is very sad that she died. But it is not the fault of all African immigrants. Many are hard-working ppl, some are not.

[DeLacroix]

greatness said:

And what about the 50 million Native Americans those damn whites killed. And what about the 6 million Jews Hitler killed. We've all been there, we've all killed and we all been killed.

It is very sad that she died. But it is not the fault of all African immigrants. Many are hard-working ppl, some are not.

Living in the past is dying in the present, my favorite quote.You're talking about things that happened, centuries ago. What is the tie between the extermination of Native Americans, and the gang culture that is devastating a liberal and peaceful country like Canada? Should we also talk about the millions of peoples enslaved by ancient romans, the millions of civilians killed by Genghis Khan and his sons, or why not, the biblical genocides? Don't be ridiculous.

[greatness]

equilibrium said:

greatness said:

And what about the 50 million Native Americans those damn whites killed. And what about the 6 million Jews Hitler killed. We've all been there, we've all killed and we all been killed.

It is very sad that she died. But it is not the fault of all African immigrants. Many are hard-working ppl, some are not.

Living in the past is dying in the present, my favorite quote.You're talking about things that happened, centuries ago. What is the tie between the extermination of Native Americans, and the gang culture that is devastating a liberal and peaceful country like Canada? Should we also talk about the millions of peoples enslaved by ancient romans, the millions of civilians killed by Genghis Khan and his sons, or why not, the biblical genocides? Don't be ridiculous.

Oh well, I guess this gansta hit, was in the "past" let's just forget.

and let's just forget what Hitler did that was in the "past"

Ok how about the killing of a black man by the KKK a few years ago. Now all Traditional, white country ppl are racist bigots, right??

NO! that was only a few ppl, dont be stupid. Many country ppl are tolerant, hard-working ppl. Gangsterism is in all cultures, WTF do u call Al Capone.

[DeLacroix]

greatness said:

equilibrium said:

Living in the past is dying in the present, my favorite quote.You're talking about things that happened, centuries ago. What is the tie between the extermination of Native Americans, and the gang culture that is devastating a liberal and peaceful country like Canada? Should we also talk about the millions of peoples enslaved by ancient romans, the millions of civilians killed by Genghis Khan and his sons, or why not, the biblical genocides? Don't be ridiculous.

Oh well, I guess this gansta hit, was in the "past" let's just forget.

and let's just forget what Hitler did that was in the "past"

Ok how about the killing of a black man by the KKK a few years ago. Now all Traditional, white country ppl are racist bigots, right??

NO! that was only a few ppl, dont be stupid. Many country ppl are tolerant, hard-working ppl. Gangsterism is in all cultures, WTF do u call Al Capone.

Try to edit your post because it's hardly readable. It's said, one should learn from past errors, not live in the past, but apparently, you can't make the distinction. You're talking about KKK, do you f*cking think KKK is the root of thousands of murders throughout United States? Al Capone? He was a ruthless criminal but at least, he didn't kill innocent bystanders.
Now smell the coffee and wake up, what type of youths embrace gangsta culture in cities like New York, Toronto, London or Paris? The answer is obvious.

[DeLacroix]

December 2, 2005
Globe and Mail
By Eugene Rivers

Canada's black community faces a crisis. A generation of poor, predominantly black youth is in violent rebellion against fatherlessness and, by logical extension, against law and order and an established middle-class black leadership that purports to speak for them. This largely unacknowledged crisis is part of a larger international pattern; from Kingston, Jamaica, to Birmingham, England, from Los Angeles to Chicago, we are witnessing the globalization of "thug life."

Thug life may be defined as the gangsta-talkin' world view that celebrates and promotes, through a multibillion-dollar media and fashion industry, the rhetoric and reality of black-on-black violence and criminality. This phenomenon, which has emerged from the gangsta wing of the hip hop nation founded in the 1970s in U.S. ghettos, has emerged as a powerful symbol of the cultural and political decay of black civil society. In this world, style is substance. The obligatory "big pimpin'" hyper-masculine pose is essential for many young black males to conceal the underlying political impotence that masquerades as manhood.

The involvement of Jamaicans in Toronto's current violence has an added dimension. A troubled political history in that island has led to the development of a culture of violence whose existence precedes the emergence of global thug life. This pattern has trailed Jamaican immigrants to the U.S. and the U.K., and the resulting deportations have simply magnified the problem as sophisticated criminals are returned to the island, train new thugs and, eluding the immigration barriers, cycle back the gang activity to foreign countries.

The violence now being witnessed in Toronto's poor black neighbourhoods is ultimately the voice of political orphans denied the firm discipline and direction of the black fathers. It is less the sins of Pharaoh than the sins of the fathers who have cursed their sons by their abandonment and neglect.

Here in Boston, the National Ten Point Leadership Foundation and its lead site, the Ella J. Baker House, have been working on issues of violence among high-risk black youth for the past 10 years. In our field work in the U.S., U.K. and Jamaica, there is a common theme of fatherlessness and a failure of leadership from the black middle and upper classes that contributes to gang-related violence in the ghettos.

The Globe and Mail reports that nearly 50 per cent of all black children under 14 in Canada have just one parent. Two in three black children from Jamaica are being raised by a single parent. What can black Canadians do about black-on-black, gang-related violence beyond denouncing other's failures and racism?

If black Canadian political and religious leaders are to successfully engage the issue of black-on-black gang-related violence as a social and public policy question, they must first own it, morally and politically. They must accept their moral complicity by having so far failed to effectively engage this crisis. Only by publicly acknowledging their failures can they legitimately criticize the failures of others. Such moral transparency is a prerequisite for any rational discussion of the delicate topic of race and violent crime in any Western society.

Where there has been success in other cities in alleviating the violence among black males, there has been a full-court press from a coalition of organizations: law-enforcement agencies (especially the police), churches, the private sector and government agencies have worked together to address the plethora of needs of kids caught up in gangs. Where young men obstinately reject involvement in jobs and educational or recreational programs, law-enforcement agencies have collaborated closely with black churches to ensure their incarceration.

The black churches have a unique role to play in engaging the cultural and practical dimensions of gang-related violence as they minister, mentor and monitor young people. Churches can have significant impact in the lives of youth when they develop long-term mentoring relationships with young men on the edge of violence. They can minister to their moral and material needs, developing programs that provide access to training and jobs. And in monitoring the involvement of youth in violence, they can lend their moral authority to the action of police when enforcement of the law becomes the only option. These are a few of the steps outlined in the Ten Point Plan; they might be a helpful starting point in crafting a plan to address Toronto's crisis.

Black churches must become visible on the streets. They must commit men to work the streets of the most violent neighbourhoods to reclaim the orphans who live there

[greatness]

I NEVER said the KKK commits thousands of murders. I simply used it as an example to say whites commit murder too. EVERY CULTURE CAN FALL TO VICE AND MURDER. What do u call Kosovo and Bosnia??

The fact is not all gangstas are Black. What about all the Hispanic, or white murderers. You cant pin it down one group. Look at the world, crime is universal to all traumatized ppls.

[greatness]

The best way to combat gangsterism among blacks is to accept them, the more u reject blacks the more turn to gangster culture.

[DeLacroix]

greatness said:

I NEVER said the KKK commits thousands of murders. I simply used it as an example to say whites commit murder too. EVERY CULTURE CAN FALL TO VICE AND MURDER. What do u call Kosovo and Bosnia??

The fact is not all gangstas are Black. What about all the Hispanic, or white murderers. You cant pin it down one group. Look at the world, crime is universal to all traumatized ppls.

We're not talking about Bosnia, Vietnam, or Iraq, we're talking about juvenile delinquency, in major cities in the west. I don't totally agree with dukeofparanoia either, being black doesn't mean being a criminal, but yes, cultural aspects play a major role in that. Young blacks who come from disintegrated families, generally identify themselves with ghetto culture, and the outcome, is obviously, sad events like the one above.

[DeLacroix]

greatness said:

The best way to combat gangsterism among blacks is to accept them, the more u reject blacks the more turn to gangster culture.

I don't think Canada is a country where the black feels rejected. Also Toronto is the most multicultural city in the world with 50% of the population, born abroad. So this excuse isn't valid.

[dukeofpain]

greatness said:

And what about the 50 million Native Americans those damn whites killed. And what about the 6 million Jews Hitler killed. We've all been there, we've all killed and we all been killed.

Hahahaha. What an embarrassingly stupid comment. When the English first came into contact with the aboriginals, their entire population over the land which is modern day Canada, was estimated at around 80-90 thousand, 100,000, at the most. You're a double talking fool.

[dukeofpain]

equilibrium said:

greatness said:

The best way to combat gangsterism among blacks is to accept them, the more u reject blacks the more turn to gangster culture.

I don't think Canada is a country where the black feels rejected. Also Toronto is the most multicultural city in the world with 50% of the population, born abroad. So this excuse isn't valid.

And it's also by far the most violent city in Canada.
It has quadruple the murder rate than Vancouver. Probaby becuase the triads aren't as murderous as the afriucan gangs. Crime in Canada is directly affected by foreigners. Gangs are either foreigners (south asians, east asians and africans.) or Indians.

[anodyne]

greatness said:

The best way to combat gangsterism among blacks is to accept them, the more u reject blacks the more turn to gangster culture.

You're under the impression that blacks are not accepted. This is not true. It's the ones who are "gangstas" that are the ones who are not accepted because of the trouble they bring. There are many working class and middle class blacks. Why go on about how whites reject blacks when you have these examples living among us? If they can make it in this supposed racist western society then the fault doesn't lie among whites but among the "gangstas."

[wadad]

dukeofpain said:

And the politicians speak of "gun control", ha, I piss on all of their graves!



Toronto police release name, details of shooting victim


Last Updated Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:40:49 EST
CBC News

Toronto Police have released a name and other details about a 15-year-old girl who was shot and killed on Boxing Day when gunfire broke out in a downtown area bustling with shoppers.

Late Wednesday, with the authorization of the victim's family, Det. Savas Kyriacou identified her as Jane Creba.


Jane Creba was a Grade 10 student at a Toronto high school, police said as they released this photo.
"Jane was a Grade 10 student at Riverdale Collegiate," Kyriacou said.

He also released the results of a post-mortem examination.

"Cause of death was determined to be a bullet wound to the body."

Creba was gunned down early Monday evening during a shootout between two groups of young men on busy Yonge Street, which was packed with other innocent bystanders. She had been shopping with her mother.




FROM DEC. 26, 2005: Teen killed as bullets fly among shoppers in downtown Toronto

In a statement released Wednesday, her parents called her a best friend to her sister, protector of her younger brother and a caring soul.

Creba, who lived in the city's east end, was described as a top student and excellent athlete.

Creba was 'the funniest, prettiest and all around nicest person'

Friends and classmates writing on the internet remembered Creba as a warm person who was full of enthusiasm.

"She was honest to God the funniest, prettiest and all around nicest person...," one classmate wrote about her on a blog.

"I can't think of a single person who didn't like her and everyone loved laughing and joking with her. She had the nicest fun-loving attitude towards everything and I know that everyone will miss her."




A man pauses to light a candle at a makeshift memorial where the Yonge Street shooting took place.
A makeshift memorial of flowers, candles, and stuffed animals has been set up to mark the site of her death, on a stretch of sidewalk several blocks north of the Eaton Centre shopping mall.

'Significant progress' in probe: police chief

Earlier in the day, the city's police chief said his force was making "very significant progress" in investigating the incident, which also left six people with injuries.

Bill Blair told CBC News that police have a number of leads and are awaiting the results of forensic, ballistic and DNA tests.



A lot of information is coming in from witnesses at the scene. Investigators are also reviewing video taken in the area of the shooting, he said.

"The investigation is very active and we're making very significant progress and I'm very confident we'll get to the bottom of this and bring the people responsible to justice."


Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair said witnesses have been providing a lot of information about the shooting.
Police have said all the victims – four males and three females – were innocent bystanders.


Gang feud may have spurred shooting: reports

A feud between rival gang members may have sparked the shooting, published reports said.

Police believe 10 to 15 people in their late teens to early 20s from two different groups were involved in an exchange of gunfire.

Within an hour of the shooting, police arrested two young men at a nearby subway station, where they recovered a gun. By Wednesday, it was still uncertain if the two were involved in the violence. No charges had been laid.

Police said there could be more arrests.

Idiot, Africans immigrants are not the ones causing violence in Toronto, its the Carribean/Jamaican youths and their gang culture. Like the difference matters to you anyway