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Post by geirr on Apr 16, 2004 4:20:55 GMT -5
A Reuters article about the new identity of Afrikaners in Black led South Africa. Interesting to compare their position with the Anglophone South Africans who seem to be struggling when it comes to identity. Comments welcome  |
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Post by kynikos on Apr 22, 2004 8:43:58 GMT -5
It's an interesting little saga, Geirr.
The Afrikaaners, having a more rural demography, have generally always been closer to the country than the more urbanised English-speakers.
Furthermore, many Afrikaaners, when talking amongst themselves will often joke about the exact provenance of their high cheekbones, or the nature of their relationships with their servants on their historic Great Trek into the interior. Outsiders are not generally privy to this kind of humour.
The first Afrikaaner joke I heard had to do with Paul Kruger's alleged remark to Queen Victoria - "I like my cofee like my women - strong, black and sweet". It is not recorded whether she was amused.
Another interesting fact is that the mixed-race population group, (Malay, Hottentot, and mulatto) are actually Afrikaans speakers. They were also historically conservative, and had supported the Afrikaaner Nationalist Party, until it took their vote away in 1956, IIRC.
This is not to say that many English speakers (which includes immigrants of Jewish or N.Mediterranean descent) are not finding an identity for themselves in the "new" South Africa, but maybe the larger part of them have not been forced to, yet.
Read Riaan Malan for a humourous insight, if you like.
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Post by AngryBoer on Apr 22, 2004 9:39:47 GMT -5
You are wrong! We Boers do not have high cheekbones or other non Aryan features. The people with nonwhite blood are the coloureds and not the Boers. "Kynikos" why don´t you look in the mirror before saying lies about the Boer nation!
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Post by kynikos on Apr 23, 2004 4:47:57 GMT -5
You are wrong! We Boers do not have high cheekbones... Calm down AngryBoer, I am sorry if it seemed like I said ALL Afrikaaners had high cheekbones. It's not what I meant. I am sure you don't. I am sure your friends don't. But many, many, Afrikaaners (whom you probably don't know) do. What's wrong with high cheekbones, anyway? They're quite attractive.... |
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Post by AngryBoer on Apr 23, 2004 5:32:27 GMT -5
You meds need to calm down and stop slandering nordic people! By saying we have high cheekbones you Greeks are insinuating that we have Hottentot blood in our veins. We do not! We are the same as Dutch and German people which are the finer countries of Europe unlike Greece.
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Post by It-Alien on Apr 23, 2004 7:30:45 GMT -5
You meds need to calm down and stop slandering nordic people! By saying we have high cheekbones you Greeks are insinuating that we have Hottentot blood in our veins. We do not! We are the same as Dutch and German people which are the finer countries of Europe unlike Greece. Dear Boer, I know S.A. and been there lots of times and lots of Boers tan better than me and they do have high cheek bones and not all of you are so pure(be honest)...( and i dont mean Cape coloureds) boers are different if compared to Germans and Dutch people. |
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Post by AngryBoer on Apr 23, 2004 8:59:28 GMT -5
You are lying RefutingMorello! Show me some hard evidence to back up what you are saying. Like photos or genetic studies. Otherwise you are just another med idiot lying about the nordic race!
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Post by geirr on Apr 23, 2004 9:17:44 GMT -5
You are lying RefutingMorello! Show me some hard evidence to back up what you are saying. Like photos or genetic studies. Otherwise you are just another med idiot lying about the nordic race! If RefutingMorello wants to show photos and studies to prove his case he can start his own thread (or start a web site), otherwise I would rather speak about Afrikaners and their ethnic identity than get into another boring med/nord flame war. By the way, you're not AfrikanerAndy are you? |
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Post by It-Alien on Apr 23, 2004 9:22:30 GMT -5
You are lying RefutingMorello! Show me some hard evidence to back up what you are saying. Like photos or genetic studies. Otherwise you are just another med idiot lying about the nordic race! its my personal opinion chum!I also have high cheek bones it doesnt mean i have negroid genes! Look at Arthur kemp's photo, does he look "nordic" to you ? Most boers tan unlike nordics (explain that)!btw i like biltong and im 1/2 med 1/2 alpine i would say and i have nothing against the nordic race but boers are different in my opinion. have a laka time lol! ;D ;D ;D  |
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Post by It-Alien on Apr 23, 2004 9:36:19 GMT -5
 Btw AngryBoer im not saying all Afrikaaners have non-white genes,but some might have very little foreign blood (like 1-5%) and it does not make them less white or mixed. p.s: can u guys see the Van der Merwe photo ? |
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Post by AngryBoer on Apr 23, 2004 10:08:48 GMT -5
RefutingMorello you are acting like a real weasel! You imply that Boers are mixed by saying that they tan better than southern Italians like you. Do you mean to say that Boers are darkskinned like meds? Then you go on to show 1 photo from like 100 years ago. I´m sorry but you should state clearly what you think and show soom real proof to back up your claims! I could easily say "ja, I visited in Italy and half of them looks mixed to me!"
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Post by AngryBoer on Apr 23, 2004 10:10:20 GMT -5
Geirr I did not start this! Some meds decided to take over your thread with lies about the Boers!
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Post by geirr on Apr 23, 2004 10:22:07 GMT -5
Geirr I did not start this! Some meds decided to take over your thread with lies about the Boers! Maybe you should start a site called Refuting RefutingMorello ;D |
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Post by It-Alien on Apr 23, 2004 15:26:53 GMT -5
Geirr I did not start this! Some meds decided to take over your thread with lies about the Boers! Not interested about boers if you feel/are nordic then good for you. No need to be so defensive about a tan(the way you answered makes me think you dont accept europeans who can tan). |
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Post by kynikos on Apr 23, 2004 15:47:30 GMT -5
Dear AngryBoer
I assure you I do not need to calm down. You're the one who says he's angry!
First of all I do not care one way or the other for this med-vs-nordic debate which almost everyone here seems so engrossed by.
For me it is not only irrelevant but also very, very boring. Right, that's that out of the way.
Secondly, I have a lot of Afrikaaner friends (whites) who have high cheekbones and make jokes about it, so I am talking first-hand here. I also speak Afrikaans with them (with an English accent they laugh at) so I guess you understand that I am not a stranger to South Africa.
You have to remeber that today there is a large number of Afrikaaners who do not share your views, and who are open-minded and not racially prejudiced. The potential inhabitants of Orania, your much desired homeland are a mere handful. Good Luck to you, anyway.
I mentioned the Afrikaamers' terrific sense sense of humour, in answer to Geirr's question, to show WHY the Afrikaaner's had integrated into SA better than the English-speakers, and why they TRUELY deserve to be viewed as 100% South Africans.
The English speakers (generally speaking, of course) show far more disdain for integrating with the place, and always somehow hearken to antother homeland, something which the Afrikaaners NEVER do, and for which I resect them massively!
Now if some modern Afrikaaners have a bit of Hottentot or Malay blood, then what's wrong with that? There are some fantastic traits in those people, which would be a positive contribution to any culture.
Finally, I'll leave you with a saying which I am sure you know (told to me by Afrikaaners, btw). I may translate it for the rest of the members at some stage, but it needs a lot of explanation.
'n Boer maak 'n plan, maar 'n Bushie HET 'n plan
stem jy saam?
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PS. Why not ask the many expert memeber of this forum (not me) of whom I thnk even Geirr is one, to classify Eugene Terreblanche?
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