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Post by ndrthl on Dec 11, 2005 16:06:15 GMT -5
Iran and Israel are living tense times now, as Iran insists on developing nuclear weaponry and (at the same time) talking badly about Israel (and Jews in general). Will there be any attacks?
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Post by ndrthl on Dec 12, 2005 10:43:58 GMT -5
Another option would be to discuss whether Israel should or not attack Iran so as to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weaponry. Regardless of whether it should or not attack Iran, I think it probably will do so, if Western countries dont do it. It is too difficult to exactly foresee the events, and their ultimate consequences, anyway.
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Post by syriano on Dec 12, 2005 12:27:54 GMT -5
it wont happen
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Post by ikilledjesus on Dec 12, 2005 12:29:40 GMT -5
You forgot that israel is american dog on a leash, and iran is ruled by backwards islamist assholes who are willing to deliver these weapons to anyone.
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Post by syriano on Dec 12, 2005 12:36:46 GMT -5
actually it's the other way around. no one can mess with Israel because it's an American dog.
if Iran dares to launch anything, the the US would erase Iran ... even if not. how can Iran use nuclear weapons on Israel in order to help the Palestinians? they are in the same place/land
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Post by ndrthl on Dec 13, 2005 14:54:13 GMT -5
Israel's nuclear capability: "Nuclear capability See also: Israel and weapons of mass destruction It is generally believed that Israel has nuclear weapons. The weapons were thought to have been developed at the Dimona nuclear reactor since the 1960s. The first two nuclear bombs were probably operational before the Six-Day War and Prime Minister Levi Eshkol ordered them armed in Israel's first nuclear alert during that war. It is also believed that, fearing defeat in the October 1973 Yom Kippur War, the Israelis assembled thirteen twenty-kiloton nuclear bombs. The current size and composition of Israel's nuclear stockpile is uncertain, and is the subject of various estimates and reports. FAS estimates that Israel probably has 100-200 nuclear warheads, which can be delivered by airplanes (A4 Skyhawk or converted F-4 Phantom II), or ballistic missiles (Lance, Jericho, or Jericho II missiles). The Jericho II is reported to have a range between 1,500 and 4,000 km, meaning that it can target sites as far away as central Russia, Iran and Libya.It has also been speculated that the Israeli Navy's three Dolphin class submarines may be capable of carrying nuclear-armed specially-modified Popeye Turbo cruise missiles. These missiles are purported to have a 1,500 km range and are supposedly fired out of what are suspected to be unusually-sized additional torpedo tubes that were allegedly installed on the Dolphin submarine and are otherwise larger than what is required to accommodate any currently known western torpedo design in existence. A test of such a missile is alleged to have taken place off the coast of Sri Lanka in May 2000. Nevertheless, some military analysts have labeled such rumors to be highly unlikely and impossible given the logistics of the submarines. Furthermore, there is no factual basis for the origins of the alleged test firing.The Israeli government has neither acknowledged nor denied that it possesses nuclear weapons, an official policy referred to as "ambiguity". However, a formerly imprisoned ex-Dimona employee, Mordechai Vanunu, confirmed much of the earlier speculation". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Army
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Post by ndrthl on Dec 14, 2005 4:36:36 GMT -5
www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/657493.htmlHalutz: Iran will be able to enrich uranium by March By Gideon Alon Iran will be capable of enriching uranium within the next three months, but will have to overcome many technological obstacles before reaching the nuclear "point of no return," Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Dan Halutz said yesterday. "Iran is determined to obtain the technological capability that will allow it to produce a nuclear bomb, but numerous obstacles remain in its path," Halutz told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee. "Even if the Iranians pass the uranium-enrichment stage, they are still a number of years away from building the bomb." As soon as Iran completes the enrichment stage, it will have the technological knowledge to create nuclear weapons, said Halutz. But it would still take Iran time to be able to produce a nuclear bomb - Halutz estimated this could happen between 2008 and 2015. "An Iran with nuclear capability is a global problem," said Halutz. "It will be difficult to impose sanctions on it, and the problem could arise of the transfering of `dirty bombs' to terror organizations." The International Atomic Energy Agency board of governors is slated to convene on March 6 to discuss imposing sanctions on Iran, Halutz noted. Committee chair MK Yuval Steinitz (Likud) said it is clear the Iranians are moving toward nuclear armament and that time is running out for Israel and the world to stop Tehran's advances. He opposed the use of the term "point of no return," saying that the process of building a nuclear weapon could be stopped at any point. Two weeks ago, Major Gen. Aharon Ze'evi (Farkash), director of Military Intelligence, told the committee that attempts to use diplomacy to thwart Iran's nuclear plans would be in danger when Iran begins enriching uranium - a phase he defined as the point of no return. "If Iran's nuclear efforts are not halted by the end of March 2006, there will be no more reason for diplomatic activity," Ze'evi said at the time. Iran's spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, encouraged Palestinians yesterday to continue their struggle against Israel. Iranian television reported that Khamenei told Hamas leader Khaled Meshal that "the experience of the last 50 years teaches that negotiation with the Zionist occupation doesn't improve the situation. We will achieve victory through the struggle only." Meanwhile, Labor Party officials yesterday accused Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz and other defense officials of using the Iranian issue in their election campaigns in an effort to divert public debate from social issues. "I hope the upcoming elections won't motivate the prime minister and defense minister to stray from government policy and place Israel on the frontlines of a confrontation with Iran," said MK Benjamin Ben-Eliezer (Labor).
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Post by Drooperdoo on Dec 14, 2005 12:07:03 GMT -5
Israel's kind of like the Boy Who Cried Wolf. They were one of the leading nations that coaxed The United States to attack Iraq, based on what we now know were fictitious "weapons of mass destruction". And before anyone shouts the lie of "But other government intelligence agencies believed the same thing" the AIPAC investigation has uncovered that most of the "intelligence agencies" in Britain, Italy, Germany, etc were fed bogus intelligence and forged documents from head neocons--all of whom worked in the past at one time or another for Israel. So it was a scam. They handed Italy forged documents and when Italy turned them over to the United States, the neocons said, "See? Other intelligence agencies think he has weapons, too." It was all a lie. Yet you still hear naive imbeciles going around, preaching the fiction that all these "objective" intelligence agencies believed what Israel believed. And now the same group of war-mongers are tageting Iran. What's that old Arabic proverb: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." So believe these bogus news stories from Israel at your own peril.
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Post by ikilledjesus on Dec 14, 2005 12:15:04 GMT -5
droop, it is not about that little shithole (israel) in the middle east, it is about strategic position and natural resources.
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Post by Educate Me on Dec 14, 2005 12:22:55 GMT -5
when all the jews in foreign countries move to israel or are assimilated by intermarriage, who will then be left to lobby for israel?
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 14, 2005 16:48:52 GMT -5
Iran is not Irak. Israel or anyother country would think a millions times before attacking Iran and, definitely, would not do it.
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Post by zathuras on Dec 14, 2005 16:51:19 GMT -5
Iran is not Irak. Israel or anyother country would think a millions times before attacking Iran and, definitely, would not do it. I think it would be a lot harder than bombing Iraq's nuclear plant, but they could and would do it right now or very soon if absolutely necessary I think. Of course, I'm just talking about air strikes, not an all out war. If Israel went to war with Iran it would be ww3 and thats why I hope they don't do it. Everyone would lose including us. China, Russia, North Korea would all get involved it would be the end of civilization as we know it.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 14, 2005 16:57:31 GMT -5
Israel has like 5 millions inhabitants. Iran could gather like that number just in its infantry. Iran would eat Israelians 'alive' if they attack Iran's nuclear power plant.
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Post by ikilledjesus on Dec 14, 2005 17:03:10 GMT -5
Israel has like 5 millions inhabitants. Iran could gather like that number just in its infantry. Iran would eat Israelians 'alive' if they attack Iran's nuclear power plant. Bullshit, iran has no way of getting there, they have inferior weapons and training, israel has nuclear weapons that render numbers inferior, they will have to cope with americans too, look for the winter war and russo chinese 1969 border wars and many other examples and you will see that superior numbers did not win.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 14, 2005 17:08:27 GMT -5
Israel cant use Nuclear Veapons withouth being impacted given the short geographical distance separing it from Iran. If Israel starts the agressions and only classical veaponry were allowed, Iranians will win; All it will takes is huge waves of persian soldiers and ... time.
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