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Post by blueskygod on Jan 16, 2006 6:04:25 GMT -5
Well mr. planet asia civilization sure did start in the med(egypt, greece, rome). or are you going to say it started in mali? muahahahahahaha
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 16, 2006 6:19:57 GMT -5
Well mr. planet asia civilization sure did start in the med(egypt, greece, rome). or are you going to say it started in mali? muahahahahahaha Egyptian civilization is *NOT* a "Medit" civilization culturally, define what is a Medit civilization. Egypt was an African civilization. Rome simply copied the Greeks and Etruscans and Egyptians civilization was already thousands of years old when Greek civilization came into play.
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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 16, 2006 9:06:07 GMT -5
Egyptian civilization is *NOT* a "Medit" civilization culturally, define what is a Medit civilization. Egypt was an African civilization. Rome simply copied the Greeks and Etruscans and Egyptians civilization was already thousands of years old when Greek civilization came into play. How exactly was Egypt an African civilization culturally, then ? I always thought many of the elements found in the Egyptian culture were common to many of the Neolithic / Bronze Age cultures of the Levant and the Middle East. In addition, am I the only one here who hasn't any problems admitting that the contributions of the ancient Greek (the whole foundation of the sciences as we know them) or Roman (perfectioning engineering, military organisation, trade) civilization are enormous without a need to claim them ? My earlier ancestors were hunter-gatherers, later peasants. They didn't build or invent anything grand. I can live with it.
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 16, 2006 10:04:09 GMT -5
Mediterranean doesnt equate Southern European only, therefore Egypt could be considered being a Mediterranean civilisation, racially it was for sure. Though more centered along the Nile than the sea. African doesnt mean that much anyway since there are at least 3, or better minimum 5 different African complexes.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 16, 2006 10:08:23 GMT -5
Egyptian civilization is *NOT* a "Medit" civilization culturally, define what is a Medit civilization. Egypt was an African civilization. Rome simply copied the Greeks and Etruscans and Egyptians civilization was already thousands of years old when Greek civilization came into play. How exactly was Egypt an African civilization culturally, then ? I always thought many of the elements found in the Egyptian culture were common to many of the Neolithic / Bronze Age cultures of the Levant and the Middle East. In addition, am I the only one here who hasn't any problems admitting that the contributions of the ancient Greek (the whole foundation of the sciences as we know them) or Roman (perfectioning engineering, military organisation, trade) civilization are enormous without a need to claim them ? My earlier ancestors were hunter-gatherers, later peasants. They didn't build or invent anything grand. I can live with it. Its civilization sprang from cultures that were Nilotic and saharan in origin, show me one piece of proof that ancient egypt was culturally more like the Levant. The Badarian and Naqadan cultures are more related and are African as opposed to anything Levantine or Middle Eastern. Culture didn't spread from north to south it spread from south to North. No one still has defined what a Medit culture is.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 16, 2006 10:09:52 GMT -5
Mediterranean doesnt equate Southern European only, therefore Egypt could be considered being a Mediterranean civilisation, racially it was for sure. Though more centered along the Nile than the sea. African doesnt mean that much anyway since there are at least 3, or better minimum 5 different African complexes. Egypt wasn't racially Medit, those are lies and the facts have been shown.
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Post by Josh on Jan 16, 2006 10:09:53 GMT -5
In addition, am I the only one here who hasn't any problems admitting that the contributions of the ancient Greek (the whole foundation of the sciences as we know them) or Roman (perfectioning engineering, military organisation, trade) civilization are enormous without a need to claim them ? My earlier ancestors were hunter-gatherers, later peasants. They didn't build or invent anything grand. I can live with it. Me too. Some of my ancestors were Romans (I'm 1/4 Italian), some of them were worshipping Celtic gods at their dolmens (Scottish, Irish, English, and French), and others lived in wigwams and fished (Ojibwe Indian). I'm not ashamed of any of my ancestry. As for me, I just try to be the best person that I can, and I don't see why I should claim anyone else's accomplishments, even if I did share genes with them. That would just be ridiculous in my estimation, since I had no part in making those things happen. So I'm with you there, Ilmatar .
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Post by ratrace on Jan 16, 2006 11:26:23 GMT -5
Whats the definition of racist anyway? There are many different ways of being a racist/racialist and in one way or another almost everybody could be consdered being one after some leftist definitions. Almost everyone knows what is a racist. Its funny only racists ask what is a racist.
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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 16, 2006 12:46:36 GMT -5
The Badarian and Naqadan cultures are more related and are African as opposed to anything Levantine or Middle Eastern. Badarians did Culture didn't spread from north to south it spread from south to North. No one still has defined what a Medit culture is. And you have yet to define the "African" culture you are constantly referring to. I, generally speaking, have a very organic view on history. Ancient Egyptian culture was undoubtably a mixture of elements. I even think that it might be more appropriate to talk about ancient Egyptian cultures than an ancient Egyptian culture. Many of them were either ruling or were ruled by peoples from the Levant Area, which left the Culture a very profound mark. However, even the "founding" Badarian culture wouldn't have blossomed without a little innovation made in Fertile Crescent and most probably introduced to Egypt/Sudan from Levant:
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Post by nockwasright on Jan 16, 2006 12:50:49 GMT -5
Whats the definition of racist anyway? There are many different ways of being a racist/racialist and in one way or another almost everybody could be consdered being one after some leftist definitions. Almost everyone knows what is a racist. Its funny only racists ask what is a racist. No way. Almost nobody is able to give a non contradictory definition of what he means for racist. I invite you to give one.
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Post by stella22 on Jan 16, 2006 12:55:59 GMT -5
NO, but if I were a Nordic and I read that light hair evolved because our faces were too masculine, I would be highly insulted.
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Post by ratrace on Jan 16, 2006 12:56:22 GMT -5
Almost everyone knows what is a racist. Its funny only racists ask what is a racist. No way. Almost nobody is able to give a non contradictory definition of what he means for racist. I invite you to give one. 1 He loves racists messageboards 2 do you honestly in your heart of hearts believe him not be racist? Just because he wont make himself public like say a david duke doesnt mean anything other than he likes to stay in the cloest.
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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 16, 2006 13:03:04 GMT -5
NO, but if I were a Nordic and I read that light hair evolved because our faces were too masculine, I would be highly insulted. Strangely I don't find that insulting at all...
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Post by Dienekes on Jan 16, 2006 13:05:17 GMT -5
Egyptian civilization is *NOT* a "Medit" civilization culturally, define what is a Medit civilization. Egypt was an African civilization. Rome simply copied the Greeks and Etruscans and Egyptians civilization was already thousands of years old when Greek civilization came into play. Africa is a huge continent with many races and cultures. It is clear that Egyptian civilization is a local phenomenon that shared cultural ties with other civilizations of the Ancient Near East and Mediterranean region and no ties at all with the vast majority of Africa. It is downright bizarre when West Africans imagine a connection with Ancient Egypt just because both are African: first of all, "Africa" is a European concept, and there was no African consciousness before European colonialism; second, West Africans had zero cultural or racial ties with Ancient Egypt which was racially Mediterranean (Caucasoid) and culturally an indigenous Egyptian phenomenon influenced and influencing other civilizations of the Mediterranean and Near East region. A West African Negroid considering Egypt as an "African" civilization akin to him is roughly equivalent to a Chinese taking pride in English civilization, or a Plains Indian taking pride in Inca civilization.
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Post by stella22 on Jan 16, 2006 13:09:44 GMT -5
NO, but if I were a Nordic and I read that light hair evolved because our faces were too masculine, I would be highly insulted. Strangely I don't find that insulting at all... This is what it sounds like to me. The only reason why you have light hair is is to take the focus off your ugly face.
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