another useless "Jakunin" thread...

[attis]

A Jakunin type is not just a narrow face. Most of your pics of guys I wouldn't say are Jakunin at all. Guy #1 and guy #3 at best (of the solo photos, not counting that ugly trio at top lol), but of your pics are just of too skinny Japanese guys. lol

Japanese in general have rather strong features compared to other Asians though. Jakunin men tend to have thicker eyebrows, longer nose, just a slightly different look which I lack the technical vocabulary, but I have the eye for one.

[human2]

just a slightly different look which I lack the technical vocabulary, but I have the eye for one.

In other words you don't know what you are talking.
You have an eye for who is a movie star, not for the general archetypal complex of which all these guys I've posted have.

By your logic Tony Blair and Liam Neeson are two totally different types when in fact the difference is attractiveness.

To be honest (and not trying to offend you but just getting to point), your logic is shallow, lacks introspection or even self-awareness.. in other words childish. The result is a guy posting on some race forum talking about mixed Japanese Jakunin.

attis said:

A Jakunin type is not just a narrow face. Most of your pics of guys I wouldn't say are Jakunin at all. Guy #1 and guy #3 at best (of the solo photos, not counting that ugly trio at top lol), but of your pics are just of too skinny Japanese guys. lol

Japanese in general have rather strong features compared to other Asians though.

Jakunin men tend to have thicker eyebrows,

Since when is the definition of a skull type dependent on brows?
By your definition Sony Chiba and Ho Chi Minh are "Jakunids", which is a stupid word anyway because it's meaningless.

longer nose

That's relative. All the people I've shown have long noses.

Also, I didn't mention this in that other thread, but Japanese genetically are the most Asian of any of the Asian groups, whether you are talking about Cavalli-Sforza's autosomal studies or the lineage analysis of more recent times.

[attis]

Sonny Chiba and Ho Chi Minh are not Jakunin so that does it matter anyway. As well all of your ad hominem attacks are just that and do not aid your argument. Here is a Jakunin:
www.art-antiques.ch/exhibitions/2004/Masterpieces_of_Japanese_Photography/picture/Von%20Stilfried%20Noble.jpg

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Komei.jpeg

I never said what the origins of the Jakunin (or that it even exists as a type) type is, but there is a characteristic of Japanese nobility. Even Coon has an example is his book. IMO, it is a mix of Korean and maybe a few other elements perhaps with sexual selection. Different groups for sure have different eyebrow forms although other types in Japan have thick eyebrows for sure. Who said they were the most attractive anyway? Who also said they were caucasian? One can be caucasian looking without being caucasian...
Most people do not take Cavalli-Sforza too seriously anyway.

[human2]

attis said:

Sonny Chiba and Ho Chi Minh are not Jakunin sow hat does it matter anyway. As well all of your ad hominem attacks are just that and do not aid your argument.

1. I'm not attacking you. It's simply the truth. Do you even know what you are talking about? It doesn't look it so that means you don't even think when you "think".

For example, you assume "Jakunin" features are noble in a previous thread, which is an assumption filled with ambiguous fuzzy logic.
What does noble mean? What features can be noble?

Is there a universal "nobleness"? Personally, I think your examples of "Jakunin" are goofy-looking guys with disproportionate noses. Now perhaps you have a face like this and everytime you look in the mirror, you see nobleness. That's your own business.

attis said:

Japanese are well aware of the "noble face" of many of the nobility. The Japanese nobility until recently pretty much bred amongst themselves and it is with them one finds the highest number of these features. They are probably a mix of several types.

Here is a fine example of one:
www.art-antiques.ch/exhibitions/2004/Masterpieces_of_Japanese_Photography/picture/Von%20Stilfried%20Noble.jpg

Emperor Komei is another Jakunin if I ever saw one:

2. I don't see how the two guys you posted are different from the guys I posted save that these two guys of yours have "Armenoid" noses.

Is that what a Jakunin is?

3. You keep refering to "mixed" this or that. Stop beating around around bush. It's already pathetic when some "Jakunin-looking" guy sitting in front of his computer tries to flatter himself by linking with Japanese nobles.. It's even more pathetic when it does it with lil' gay weak hints likes he's afraid.

[attis]

I never claimed I had a lot of Jakunin features, lol. The fact is that the Japanese nobility like many nobilities around the world tended to be a rather closed group. Marriages in Japan were arranged and they mated amongst themselves. So out of this, we get a certain appearance. An appearance based on founder's effect? The longish nose is a stereotype of Japanese nobles just like the flat broad nose is a stereotype of a Japanese farmer. These stereotypes exist in Japan. It is very common to hear in social aware Japan, "Oh he has a farmer's face or she has farmer's feet", etc. Think about it this way Emperor Komei is a product of well over a thousand years of selected breeding in one social group. So I think his appearance would probably very well represent that group. Another analogy, the modern Egyptian nobility is mostly Albanian and Circassian and lo and behold, they all look Albanian and Circassian. We do know that invaders from the Korean peninsula conquered the Japanese isles. It is not a surprise if that elite group would look different. Although, there are many Japanese nobles who look more Korean than anything else.

[human2]

attis said:

I never claimed I had a lot of Jakunin features, lol.

Oh lol You're beginning to sound like Gelaye which isn't good.
I'm asking you a simple question.. Is the Jakunin someone with an "Armenoid" nose and is that the noble standard of Japan? Yes? Or No?

It's not hard.

[attis]

OK, first read my edits since you posted...

Yes, OK I could call that an Armenoid nose. Standard, well OK, maybe more what is expecting than standard.

[human2]

So the Japanese nobility consists of invading Kazars/Jews. I think I'm satisfied with your answer.

[human2]

For anyone interested in the truth, this is what the typical Japanese noblemen were depicted as,


It's actually this guy:


Here's more Japanese noblemen:



Emperors

[attis]

One cannot speak in definites. Of course there are maybes and coulds. This isn't exactly science and without historical records that say for certain, we may never really know. We can only speculate. Everyone has their own theory.

For one Jakunin isn't my term. Someone else uses that to describe the appearance. All ethnic groups are a composite of several groups. I do not know enough about the migrations into Vietnam to know about the Bahnar. Does that guy look Jakunin? No, he doesn't to me. The Bahnar I see in those pics have widely different features. In Japan, it is mostly accepted that several migrations happened. There are linguistic records of a Japonic language spoken in the Korean peninsula. As well, the Ainu in Japan show that at least two different groups existed in Japan.

Well, Japan has an Imperial family; you are degrading them to mere "royals". Actually, Emperor Akihito married a commoner (first time ever I believe), so it changes the results of the present Imperial family. Again, did I say every Japanese noble has these features? I said it is a feature I see in many Japanese nobles. Perhaps as well, I have seen many more Japanese nobles than you (pictures, paintings, video, etc.)...

[human2]

attis said:

One cannot speak in definites. Of course there are maybes and coulds. This isn't exactly science and without historical records that say for certain, we may never really know. We can only speculate. Everyone has their own theory.

For one Jakunin isn't my term. Someone else uses that to describe the appearance. All ethnic groups are a composite of several groups. I do not know enough about the migrations into Vietnam to know about the Bahnar. Does that guy look Jakunin? No, he doesn't to me. The Bahnar I see in those pics have widely different features. In Japan, it is mostly accepted that several migrations happened. There are linguistic records of a Japonic language spoken in the Korean peninsula. As well, the Ainu in Japan show that at least two different groups existed in Japan.

Well, Japan has an Imperial family; you are degrading them to mere "royals". Actually, Emperor Akihito married a commoner (first time ever I believe), so it changes the results of the present Imperial family. Again, did I say every Japanese noble has these features? I said it is a feature I see in many Japanese nobles. Perhaps as well, I have seen many more Japanese nobles than you (pictures, paintings, video, etc.)...

Maybe this..
Maybe that..
Thanx for the information. It was such a non-waste of time.
Do you ever stop and ponder about what you say before you say it? It speaks of a grown man or woman, you sound like it, who've never even analyzed his own thoughts.

Do some self-reflecting. Imagine yourself as an objective observer critiquing your own reasoning and arguments. That was my original point when you accused me of attacking you.

Find out who you are my son.

[attis]

Again, nothing but ad hominems. I am finished discussing. Just saw your pictures. Again your ignorance. There are two groups of Japanese noblemen. Your pictures are mostly the Samurai class. There are also the court nobles. Two distinct groups.

[attis]

Look at my last edit since for some reason your pictures did not post.

[human2]

attis said:

Again, nothing but ad hominems. I am finished discussing. Just saw your pictures. Again your ignorance. There are two groups of Japanese noblemen. Your pictures are mostly the Samurai class. There are also the court nobles. Two distinct groups.

The Japanese samurai were the court nobles who performed all the administration, not to mention those in the pics were shogun and daimyo, who were the elite nobles. The Japanese warrior class was not some separate class of fighting men. If you were a noble, you had to be a Samurai... of course most Samurai were more lowly but it doesn't change anything.

And I didn't attack you. Take what I say with a grain of salt, though it's good advice.

Look, this is a total waste of time. I originally posted a topic for fun. So, see ya!

[attis]

Shogun and Daimyo are the elite Samurai. They are not the court nobility of the Emperor's court. The two groups were only merged after the Meiji restoration. In any event, my best argument for different "phenotypes" in the same country with regards to "caste" is Egypt. Since in Egypt, we can historically account for the differnence. If the Egyptian nobility was still the elite group who did not mix with the others in the population and continue to do so for 1000 years, then that would be interesting to see the differences. Of course in Japan, all groups are Asian and so the differences aren't really that great anyway, very minor by comparison to Egypt.