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Dec 11, 2005 23:20:44 GMT -5
Post by Agrippa on Dec 11, 2005 23:20:44 GMT -5
Unfortunately not all of his works were translated, even on the contrary. So his most valuable pieces are probably not available in English at all.
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Dalic
Dec 11, 2005 23:24:58 GMT -5
Post by Crimson Guard on Dec 11, 2005 23:24:58 GMT -5
That explains it then! Dammit Agrippa you almost had my hopes up!
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Dalic
Dec 13, 2005 15:42:15 GMT -5
Post by OdinofOssetia on Dec 13, 2005 15:42:15 GMT -5
Biasutti's map proves my point: Did he really referred to Dalofaelids? Because if, he would lose a lot of reputation from my side. Where its possible to argue that "Borrebies" are related to Osteuropids (as one German anthropologist claimed once), the same is absurd if its about Dalofaelids, at least if going after the most common definitions. Concerning the map - well, nothing against Eastern Austria being Nordid, Nordid is strong there though I would count it as mixed area, but not stronger Nordid than Niedersachsen, Hamburg, Schleswig-Holstein and Mecklenburg in Germany...compare Biasutties map with more reasonable ones... Furthermore how can the mixture of "Nordid-Baltid-Alpinid" be as long headed absolute and relative as Nordids are - what Dalofaelids are by definition (dolicho- to mesocephalic) - not to speak about anatomical differences to such mixtures and such typical features like the angular jaws are not present in all of them but typical Cromagnids from 10.000 years ago before Baltid populations were proven... And finally some regions which are most important for the Dalofaelid type are considered being Nordic in that map (Dalofaelids are often included into Nordid in the wider sense)... Southern Germany being Alpinid and not mixed area as a whole is nonsense either - again read other sources. The result of Nordid+Baltid+Alpinid = not Dalofaelid. Furthermore to claim that the German North Sea coastal regions are not Nordid is false also. Just read "Rassengeschichte der Menschheit" if you can read German, this series, the part about Germany and the Netherlands, was posted on Skadi. Brachycephalic groups are generally more recent and Cromagnids are one of the oldest forms in Europe with the name giving Cro Magnon findings and f.e. Oberkassel - Oberkassel is in line with later Dalofaelids - just compare the rounded features of Baltids with that of Cromagnids/Dalofaelids, thats not just the result of admixture, in fact its the result of late brachymorphisation-reduction-partly infantilisation - Cromagnid is definitely the older form - Baltids are mostly descendents of Cromagnoids in the East which had certain trends towards such boreal forms with tendencies I mentioned - if with Lappoid admixture = Eastbaltid. Before writing this did you even read what I said in a careful manner?
I never claimed that
Alpinid + East Baltic + Nordic = Dalophhealid
What I claimed is that:
East Baltic + Nordic = Phealid
The map by Biasutti also threw in the Alpinids, but by this I think he meant that there are some so-called "Alpinid" types present in that area too, but I did not include the Alpinids in my Phealid calculation.
PS - Regarding your "ages" of the various races, I suggest you read some Biblical history to see how much sheer bolognie this claim of yours is.
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Dalic
Dec 15, 2005 19:48:49 GMT -5
Post by Synthesis on Dec 15, 2005 19:48:49 GMT -5
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Dec 16, 2005 10:15:51 GMT -5
Post by Agrippa on Dec 16, 2005 10:15:51 GMT -5
Dalofaelid is in most systems included in "Nordic in the wider sense" or something on its own. Nordid + Eastbaltid = never Dalofaelid.
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Dalic
Dec 16, 2005 12:31:05 GMT -5
Post by murphee on Dec 16, 2005 12:31:05 GMT -5
Would you say this is a good representation of Dalics? Drawing of Germans by Willrich
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Dec 16, 2005 12:55:25 GMT -5
Post by Synthesis on Dec 16, 2005 12:55:25 GMT -5
Dalofaelid is in most systems included in "Nordic in the wider sense" or something on its own. I think this Finn is a good example of a Nordid-(East-)Baltid:
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Dalic
Dec 16, 2005 16:41:30 GMT -5
Post by One Humanity on Dec 16, 2005 16:41:30 GMT -5
Two pred. Nordid Westphalians of robust stature: Another group (notice the quite low middle section of the faces):
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Dec 16, 2005 18:20:05 GMT -5
Post by Agrippa on Dec 16, 2005 18:20:05 GMT -5
@murph: Well, they are pred. Dalofaelid/Cromangid but with Nordid (Skando/Teutonordid) influence (especially nasal shape) in my opinion.
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Dec 17, 2005 16:55:38 GMT -5
Post by OdinofOssetia on Dec 17, 2005 16:55:38 GMT -5
Dalofaelid is in most systems included in "Nordic in the wider sense" or something on its own. Nordid + Eastbaltid = never Dalofaelid. That's interesting since if you look at an East Baltic and a Nordic and compare the facial profiles of the two, the Phealid will fall somewhere in-between the two. That Biasutti included the Phealids as a Nordic sub-type is not that relevant, since an East Baltic-Nordic mongrel in a way can be classified as such.
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Dalic
Dec 17, 2005 18:08:36 GMT -5
Post by Agrippa on Dec 17, 2005 18:08:36 GMT -5
People need to make maps detailing these types or something because there are just way too many terms and contradicting systems to keep track of. My scheme was posted by Gareth and I added my comments. Furthermore Westbaltids = Eastcromagnid, mostly unaltered, unreduced Eastern Cromagnoids.
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Dec 17, 2005 18:29:01 GMT -5
Post by Synthesis on Dec 17, 2005 18:29:01 GMT -5
My scheme was posted by Gareth and I added my comments. Furthermore Westbaltids = Eastcromagnid, mostly unaltered, unreduced Eastern Cromagnoids. Do you think the picture above is a good example of a Nordid-Baltid mix?
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Dec 17, 2005 20:12:47 GMT -5
Post by Agrippa on Dec 17, 2005 20:12:47 GMT -5
The Finn is rather Skandonordid-Eastbaltid.
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Dec 18, 2005 8:27:04 GMT -5
Post by Synthesis on Dec 18, 2005 8:27:04 GMT -5
So we can say that a Baltid-Nordid mix doesn't look Cromagnid but like the Finn above? Do you know other examples of similar types?
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Dec 18, 2005 16:42:19 GMT -5
Post by Platypus on Dec 18, 2005 16:42:19 GMT -5
these Finn politicians belong to the same general type as Coon's Finn (East Baltic Type> Nordic+Ladogan) (eyes, long rectangular face, check also nose shape!) The first one on the left presents least Nordid elements, The narrow faced one before Coon's pic , the most Ilmatar check this thread!!!
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