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Dalic
Dec 5, 2005 9:42:01 GMT -5
Post by Synthesis on Dec 5, 2005 9:42:01 GMT -5
What does it mean "Dalic"? I know it is a geographic name which come s from Dalarna/Dalecarlia in Central Sweden, but sometimes it is used to describe a typical Nordid and sometimes to describe a "Dalofaelid" type (which is a Borreby-Nordid mix).
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Dalic
Dec 5, 2005 10:45:57 GMT -5
Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 5, 2005 10:45:57 GMT -5
It's just a synonym for Dalofaelid/Falisch/Phalian. In other words the robust Cromagnoid type found especially in northern Germany (as opposed to the Nordic-Borreby hybrid also found there). Coon was mistaken and the SNPA is just flat out wrong in applying the term Falisch to Nordic-Borreby hybrids. Falisch is really a type on its own, as Agrippa has had to explain to us many times in the past. By the way, welcome to the board.
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Dec 5, 2005 11:43:59 GMT -5
Post by Agrippa on Dec 5, 2005 11:43:59 GMT -5
What does it mean "Dalic"? I know it is a geographic name which come s from Dalarna/Dalecarlia in Central Sweden, but sometimes it is used to describe a typical Nordid and sometimes to describe a "Dalofaelid" type (which is a Borreby-Nordid mix). Mike is right but there is another problem, namely that some Swedish anthropologists refused the idea that Dalarne - from which the name is coming - is really a centre of this original Cromagnid form - Westphalia is commonly accepted as being a centre of this original Northern European form we see already 30.000 years ago and being dominant in many parts of Europe especially during the Ice Age. So some Scandinavian anthropologists might use Dalic in a different way, namely for what they think is typical for the region. However, in general Dalonordic, Dalofaelid, Faelish or Bruenn means basically the same. Another point is that some Nordid-Borreby mixed individuals might be like a re-breeding of the Cromagnid type, since Borrebies are just brachycephalised, brachymorphised Cromagnoids more or less. But usually Nordid-Borreby/Nordalpinoid mixes dont look exactly the same, but can look quite similar to the original, typical form of Cromagnids which survived = Dalofaelid.
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Dec 5, 2005 15:39:06 GMT -5
Post by Synthesis on Dec 5, 2005 15:39:06 GMT -5
Thanks Mike, even if it's not my real first post here.
Can you explain the difference between a "true Phalian" and a "Nordic-Borreby mix"? Which of these two is the Reihengräber type?
To be honest, Coon did not use "Falisch" in his description of European types: he used only "Nordics altered by Upper Palaeolithic survivals" where he put both the Tronder (Trøndelag) type and the Borreby/Nordic mix... Also he stated that the Reihengräber type was the same as "Anglo-Saxon".
Also Biasutti stated that the "typical Nordics" were the Swedes coming from Dalarna... and then added that the "Dalic" subtype was somewhat different from the "true Nordic"...
The Brünns in the Photographic Supplement of C. S. Coon's The Races of Europe were Phalians/Fälisch too?
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Dalic
Dec 5, 2005 15:55:55 GMT -5
Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 5, 2005 15:55:55 GMT -5
Can you explain the difference between a "true Phalian" and a "Nordic-Borreby mix"? Which of these two is the Reihengräber type? Agrippa knows the differences better than I. Better ask him. I guess that Phalians have squarish heads rather than roundish Borreby ones. As far as Reihengräber, the SNPA (which isn't exactly the best source I'll admit) says it is the same as the Anglo-Saxon type. Though I'm not sure what the big difference between the Anglo-Saxon and the Tronder type is, because they're both supposedly Brunn + Nordic. Maybe it's a superficial distinction. To be honest, Coon did not use "Falisch" in his description of European types: he used only "Nordics altered by Upper Palaeolithic survivals" I see. It's SNPA's mistake then. The Brünns in the Photographic Supplement of C. S. Coon's The Races of Europe were Phalians/Fälisch too? Yeah.
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Dalic
Dec 5, 2005 16:54:24 GMT -5
Post by Agrippa on Dec 5, 2005 16:54:24 GMT -5
The early Germanic Reihengräber variants were pred. classic Nordid, quite often with Dalofaelid/Cromagnid admixture.
"Anglo Saxons" look more like simple Nordid-Dalofaelid blends whereas Troender has a more unique and stabilised look with a higher head and more narrow face+nose and more Eastnordid influences most likely.
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Dec 5, 2005 19:02:54 GMT -5
Post by Synthesis on Dec 5, 2005 19:02:54 GMT -5
Could you post any examples?
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Dec 5, 2005 19:15:32 GMT -5
Post by murphee on Dec 5, 2005 19:15:32 GMT -5
The man in this photo (actor Jon Voight)
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Dec 5, 2005 19:29:30 GMT -5
Post by Agrippa on Dec 5, 2005 19:29:30 GMT -5
There is a thread with textbook examples (including Dalofaelid) of all important racial types of the world which I posted on Stirpes here, I dont have the link though, I think Gareth posted it. Stirpes Link: forum.stirpes.net/showthread.php?t=2343
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Dalic
Dec 5, 2005 19:39:06 GMT -5
Post by quarryman on Dec 5, 2005 19:39:06 GMT -5
Maybe it's just prejudice, but since Jon Voight is Czech, I have always considered him to be East Baltic.
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Dalic
Dec 5, 2005 19:53:55 GMT -5
Post by murphee on Dec 5, 2005 19:53:55 GMT -5
I think there is East-Baltid in many such Falish types--they often seem to run together.
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Dalic
Dec 5, 2005 19:59:57 GMT -5
Post by quarryman on Dec 5, 2005 19:59:57 GMT -5
I think there is East-Baltid in many such Falish types--they often seem to run together. Well, there is no sharp line between them anyway.
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Dalic
Dec 5, 2005 23:55:35 GMT -5
Post by Agrippa on Dec 5, 2005 23:55:35 GMT -5
Yes, but the form in between is Westbaltid/Eastcromagnid - then Baltid (proper) - finally Eastbaltid which is a rather extreme form. People should distinguish that in the Osteuropid spectrum and shouldnt lump them together because a Baltid doesnt show the extreme features of an Eastbaltid.
Dalofaelids are clearly different and Jon Voight is a bad example imo. Just as an examples: Dalofaelids have usually lower, long heads with a dolicho-mesocephalic index etc. and especially in young age sharper, not rounded features.
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Dec 6, 2005 8:31:53 GMT -5
Post by Synthesis on Dec 6, 2005 8:31:53 GMT -5
What are the differences between West Baltid, Baltid proper and East Baltid? I thought "West Baltid" was a synonim for "Borreby" or "Phalian". You seem to say they are distinct types.
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Dalic
Dec 6, 2005 8:36:49 GMT -5
Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 6, 2005 8:36:49 GMT -5
People need to make maps detailing these types or something because there are just way too many terms and contradicting systems to keep track of.
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