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Post by Igu on May 31, 2005 7:30:26 GMT -5
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Post by mike2 on May 31, 2005 14:55:49 GMT -5
Yes, those are pretty good pictures.
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Post by One Humanity on May 31, 2005 15:42:58 GMT -5
The following pictures are taken from Rainer Knußmann, Vergleichende Biologie des Menschen - Lehrbuch der Anthropologie und Humangenetik (2nd edition, 1996), also scanned by Agrippa: - - - Scanned by Agrippa from the book of Georg Glowatzki, Die Rassen des Menschen - Entstehung und Ausbreitung, Stuttgart 1976. First plate: Nordid, Cromagnid, East-Baltid, Alpinid, Lappid, Dinarid. Second plate: Mediterranid, Berberid, Orientalid, Indid, Indid (Gypsy), Armenid. Third side: Turanid - Veddid, Polynesid, Ainuid, Tungid, Sinid - - - 1. Nordic 2. Bruenn/Cromagnid/"UP" 3. Mediterranean 4. Dinaric 5. Alpinoid 6. East-Baltic - - - This one does not only depict the subraces but rather refers to the looks of regions in Germany imho: 1. Nordic (North German face) 2. Mediterranean (e.g. Mosel region) 3. Cromagnid (Westphalian face) 4. Dinaric (e.g. Upper Bavaria) 5. East-Baltic (appears to be East German) 6. Alpinid (Southern Germany) - - - 1. Nordic (high vault and shape of the orbits look Tronder) 2. Cromagnid (+Borreby or Dinaric) 3. Mediterranean 4. pred. Alpinid 5. East Baltic 6. pred. Dinaric - - - 1. Nordic 2. Cromagnid 3. Mediterranean 4. East Baltic 5. Alpinid 6. Dinaric - - - Jan Czekanowski's plates (scanned by norda) - note that the mix-formula in parentheses are his idea: Nordic race img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/cass22/nor.jpgNorth-Atlantid type ("Med/Nor" intermediate) img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/cass22/nw.jpgSubnordic type ("Nor/Lap") img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/cass22/subn.jpgLittoral type ("Med/Arm") and Armenoid race img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/cass22/litarm.jpgDinaric types ("Arm/Nor") img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/cass22/dinaric.jpgLapponoid race and Sublapponoid type ("Lap/Med" intermediate) img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/cass22/lap.jpgAlpinoid type ("Lap/Arm" mix) img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/cass22/alp.jpg- - - A small presentation of faces from the German regions: anthro.coconia.net/faces-ger.htm- - - Descriptions (countries of the examples etc. thanks to Triglav for the link): web.archive.org/web/20031205170237/www.legioneuropa.org/Racediv/CSCoon/Papers/plindex.htm- - - Nordic Nordic+Cromagnid Dalofaelid Mediterranid Dinaric Alpinid East Baltic Blonde German family
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Post by One Humanity on May 31, 2005 15:43:13 GMT -5
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Post by murphee on May 31, 2005 23:41:16 GMT -5
Thanks for posting many good pictures!
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Post by Platypus on Jun 1, 2005 6:44:23 GMT -5
Thanks for all the pics! great stuff! We don't get faces like these anymore.
@ Human Also one reason why the Germans during WWII were called 'Huns' was indeed to de-humanize them by making them foreign and barbarous invaders on European soil. Also the emphasis that the British gave to their Anglo-Saxon and hence Germanic roots during the Victorian era, was soon scaled down since WWI in order to reject any common root between the two countries, This was reflected by the British Royal family in anglicizing their germanic name 'Battenberg' into 'Mountbatten'
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Post by Cerdic on Jun 1, 2005 7:51:45 GMT -5
Thanks for all the pics! great stuff! We don't get faces like these anymore. @ Human Also one reason why the Germans during WWII were called 'Huns' was indeed to de-humanize them by making them foreign and barbarous invaders on European soil. Also the emphasis that the British gave to their Anglo-Saxon and hence Germanic roots during the Victorian era, was soon scaled down since WWI in order to reject any common root between the two countries, This was reflected by the British Royal family in anglicizing their germanic name 'Battenberg' into 'Mountbatten' The Mountbattens are related to the British royal family but the royals were called Saxe-Coburg Gotha (Prince Albert's family name) before changing to Windsor in WWI.
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Post by Igu on Jun 1, 2005 8:59:50 GMT -5
Please Garteh, tell me that you have just copy pasted your posts (means you keep them under a pro-board format)!
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Post by One Humanity on Jun 5, 2005 21:26:59 GMT -5
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Post by Anja on Jun 6, 2005 10:55:44 GMT -5
Wow, these are all amazing.
Thanks Igu and Gareth!
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Post by Anja on Jun 6, 2005 10:58:02 GMT -5
Oh, by the way, are overbites, where you can't close your mouth properly, or where your chin appears longer than normal in profile, common in Germany? Someone around here had said that once.
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Post by One Humanity on Jun 6, 2005 15:29:25 GMT -5
Accentuated protrusion of the whole lower face would be called prognathy which is linked with the bones of the jaw.
A slight overbite of the teeth is normal while edge-to-edge bite is more common among Mongoloids (already Alpinids tend to be more flat-faced and orthognathous).
Accentuated overbite is rather an individual trat. I only know that the Cappadocians were described to have had protruding upper jaws.
Large frontal teeth are relatively common in some population, for example the British Isles are known for "buck teeth" and also the Japanese (and to some degree Mongoloids in general). I believe Lundman depicted it for Phalian/Faelid. I also noticed that among Egyptians.
In some cases the angle of the frontal teeth is more directed forward.
Concerning the open mouths were the people always show their upper frontal teeth, I often saw that among East Europeans and even a person mixed with Amerindian.
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Post by Agrippa on Jun 27, 2005 12:02:53 GMT -5
Scanned by Agrippa from the book of Georg Glowatzki, Die Rassen des Menschen - Entstehung und Ausbreitung, Stuttgart 1976. As far as I remember, I checked it ten or more years ago. It is actually not a book, but only a tiny pocket booklet: a typical collectors' item. I wrote in my original postings on Skadi+Stirpes that it has not too much scientific value but is rather a popular book. The good thing about the pictures, though they are far from being perfect, is that it shows average (not extreme) people in normal (not standardised) positions.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Oct 20, 2005 20:36:47 GMT -5
Damn you, Gareth, what happened to the links to all the Coon plates?
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Post by aroundtheworld on Oct 20, 2005 22:26:12 GMT -5
Great pics. That Nordic girl is the phenotype for many children's cartoon character, dolls, etc.
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