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Post by Liquid Len on May 13, 2005 16:31:58 GMT -5
  The dolichocephalic types: "Nordische Rasse" = Nordic "Fälische Rasse" = Faelish or Dalic; a cromagnoid type "Westische Rasse" = lit. "Westic"; Atlanto-med The brachycephalic types: "Ostbaltische Rasse" = East Baltic "Ostische Rasse" = lit. "Eastic"; Alpinid "Dinarische Rasse" = Dinaric |
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Post by mike2 on May 13, 2005 16:35:44 GMT -5
Fascinating. I love looking at old relics like this. The Nazis were evil bastards but they certainly had one helluva sense of style.
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Post by Bryce on May 14, 2005 10:09:51 GMT -5
The first one looks like a younger Max von Sydow, even if he's not really his Doppelgänger.
Are these pictures photos or drawings ? Re-designed photographs ?
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on May 14, 2005 10:38:59 GMT -5
Those pictures could be based on photographs but somehow I think they are composites based on a number of people and imaginative licence. The representations of Alpinids, E. Baltics, Dinarids and Falisch are rather unattractive and unflattering to those sub races. Doppelganger is not the right word as Max von Sydow is not dead. I can't really comment on the Nazis are they existed long before my time. What I do notice is their style which is copied many times by people such as George Lucas for his star wars.
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Post by mike2 on May 14, 2005 15:00:41 GMT -5
I'm surprised the Nazis would even recognize the Atlanto-Mediterranean (Westic) as a part of Germany.
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on May 14, 2005 15:10:40 GMT -5
The Nazis hated Jews, Romani, slav speakers and non European races. They were comfortable with other Europeans and were not anti Mediterranid or Westische. There were plenty of Med types in Germany and the Nazi party.
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Post by asdf on May 15, 2005 0:53:22 GMT -5
Who said Atlanto-Mediterraneans were Med?
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Post by mike2 on May 15, 2005 1:08:23 GMT -5
Who said Atlanto-Mediterraneans were Med? Uhhh... the term itself kind of does that on its own.  |
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Post by Anja on May 15, 2005 11:19:40 GMT -5
Hmm...my grandpa looks kind of like that dinarid guy, except with white hair and paler skin.  |
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Post by Liquid Len on May 16, 2005 9:32:53 GMT -5
I've found the pics in a post-war book on schooling in Nazi-Germany. They were apparently used in classes; racial Anthropology was a fix part of schooling then.
Yes, especially the women stroke me in that respect. The Dinarid woman still looks the least unattractive of them, to my taste.
The depicted typology is apparently solely based on Günther's work, which was widely used in Nazi-Germany, e.g. in Alfred Rosenberg's writings (who was their main ideologist).
They also disliked Alpinids much. I think in their ideological ranking the Westic type followed even right after the Nordics (Fälisch perhaps included). Third was probably the Dinaric type, whom they considered as good warriors, but without the higher cultural skills attributed to the two former types.
Well, according to Günther there were only some slight insertions mainly in the westernmost regions. I myself think it's sensible to attibute light brown hair and light mixed (grey-greenish-brownish) eyes also to the nordic type. If you don't, the nordics will be litterally everywhere an absolute minority.
He looks quite typical for Tyrolians, Albanians and Transsylvanians. A very high vaulted Dinaric without the extreme brachycephaly more frequent in the former Yougoslav countries, for example.
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Post by Agrippa on May 16, 2005 9:41:47 GMT -5
Furthermore we should distinguish between pheno- and genotype. F.e. if a person is mixed Nordid-Dinarid, it can happen that he gets most of the Nordid morphology but dark hair and eyes. Than he looks phenotypically more Atlantid than anything else probably, but genetically he has no real Atlantid admixture and for sure no Gracilmediterranid.
The Gracilmediterranid element is a small minority in the German population, but it exists, especially in the provinces Guenther said. Atlantid in the North, West and South and Pontid in the East is more common though but still the phenotypical-genotypical relation should be kept in mind since many of those darker-meso/dolichocephalic individuals are the result of mixture of Nordid with Alpinid, Dinarid over generations.
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