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Post by gbloco on Sept 21, 2004 8:02:41 GMT -5
interesting program from the beeb yesterday "Britain AD" basically saying that there was no anglo-saxon invasion. this was based on recent archaelogical studies in yorkshire which showed complete continuity from 0-1000AD. second there were comparatively few foreign born skeletons and surprisingly they were female and of lower class (slaves?). also contend that english is in fact an amalgam of celtic and german. change in relics was just a question of fashion.
a lot of it seemed very anecdotal but certainly interesting.
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Post by Melnorme on Sept 21, 2004 8:16:57 GMT -5
also contend that english is in fact an amalgam of celtic and german. I think it has more Latin and French in it than Celtic.
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Post by gbloco on Sept 21, 2004 8:31:28 GMT -5
i agree. the argument seemed to be that anglo-saxon is german spoken by a celtic, like a pigden german, with celtic word order instead of german word endings to determine meaning.
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Post by Vitor on Sept 21, 2004 8:52:23 GMT -5
those guys don't know genetics! most of the british are Rb1, it would be difficult allmoust impossible for that "massive" invasions to irradicate the previous population. that didn't hapenned! you are more than 50% desendent of the first europeans who get there! yap...even before the celts. The guys who invented art in altamira e lascoux, who invented technology after the last ice age... those guys... Who adpated to a colder climate and then (after 15000 years) turned phenotipically closer to the germans. (with a little mixing to help in that process) nevertheless the IBerians brothers! Even the french have less of those guys than you do! the french are less "first european" than england! So that documentary was right on the spot in regard of those anglos-saxon invasions, but wrong saying that english are a mixed celtic/german people! total bullshit!
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Post by gbloco on Sept 21, 2004 9:08:06 GMT -5
actually they didnt, im using celtic as the catch-all for the pre-anglo. in fact the settlements were traced back continuously even to neolithic times. they even said that the pre-anglo "celtic" language was nothing of the sort.
and as ive said on other posts, i find the similarities between the english and spanish quite compelling. presumably thats why we all want to retire there.
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Post by Vitor on Sept 21, 2004 9:16:45 GMT -5
don't forget the portuguese... say Iberia not spain... ;D allthough you love algarve (the most mediterranean place we got in portugal, it's even an arabic name...."al-garb", just like andaluzia "al-andaluz"). I guess you love the mediterraneans not the similarities we have! the differences! the exotic!
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Post by gbloco on Sept 21, 2004 9:24:54 GMT -5
well to honest must british holiday makers go there to shag other brits. i think mediterranean phenotype/culture is still an acquired taste
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Post by Vitor on Sept 21, 2004 9:30:50 GMT -5
of course... portuguese southern womens are not that easy! and there is the linguistic and culture gap! nevertheless... I know this fellow from TV who reportedly "had" sex with 4000 british ladies...(he is old now...so he is scoring a lot less, that was what he said) He is the worst kind we got in portugal... the macho type! ZéZé Camarinhas! not my idol though!
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Post by gbloco on Sept 21, 2004 9:40:37 GMT -5
macho type, try bullshit type. when my sister went to rome for a couple of months recently i told her not to trust a word that comes out of their mouths.
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Post by Vitor on Sept 21, 2004 9:42:23 GMT -5
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Post by pconroy on Sept 21, 2004 9:55:58 GMT -5
I think it has more Latin and French in it than Celtic. I am fleunt in Irish Gaelic and took 5 years of Latin, and can say that an awfull lot of English words seem like they are of Celtic descent - the problem however is proving it. Celtic and Italic language groups are closely related, so that any word that seems to be of Gaelic descent has a similar sounding Latin cognate in most cases, so how does one proove that it descended from Gaelic and not Latin IMO in times past, with much of Northern Europe, particularly the recently barbarian Germanic tribes, wanting to adopt the veneer of high civilization, I'm sure a Latin derivation was assigned wherever possible to words of possible Gaelic origin.
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Post by alex221166 on Sept 21, 2004 10:30:22 GMT -5
well to honest must british holiday makers go there to shag other brits. i think mediterranean phenotype/culture is still an acquired taste That is not true, especially in what concerns women over 30. I don't think it is all about looks, though, I think it has to do with the southern European attitude towards women. I am not praising Portuguese men's skills, as they are renowned for being the least latin of the latins (I've seen reports of foreign women being disappointed that we aren't quite the Iberian version of the "Italian stalion").
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Post by gbloco on Sept 21, 2004 10:47:15 GMT -5
I am fleunt in Irish Gaelic and took 5 years of Latin, and can say that an awfull lot of English words seem like they are of Celtic descent - the problem however is proving it. Celtic and Italic language groups are closely related, so that any word that seems to be of Gaelic descent has a similar sounding Latin cognate in most cases, so how does one proove that it descended from Gaelic and not Latin IMO in times past, with much of Northern Europe, particularly the recently barbarian Germanic tribes, wanting to adopt the veneer of high civilization, I'm sure a Latin derivation was assigned wherever possible to words of possible Gaelic origin. its interesting that unlike in latin, all the current latin languages have also basically ended the changing noun endings thing (ive forgotten the exact technical term. german is now the closest to latin in that respect! in fact the germans study latin in school. was this because they all had celtic languages before the romans arrived?
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Post by gbloco on Sept 21, 2004 10:48:39 GMT -5
That is not true, especially in what concerns women over 30. I don't think it is all about looks, though, I think it has to do with the southern European attitude towards women. I am not praising Portuguese men's skills, as they are renowned for being the least latin of the latins (I've seen reports of foreign women being disappointed that we aren't quite the Iberian version of the "Italian stalion"). it was a throw-away remark, but i think if a latin guy says he has slept with 4,000 women i am very inclined not to believe him unless his name is julio iglesias
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Post by It-Alien on Sept 21, 2004 10:49:00 GMT -5
A lil off topic but...You guys are all wrong the best "latin" lovers are not even latin. ;D Hungarians shag the most (which is true they are very open to casual sex) and are the best lovers (horny devils). Italians (& other latins) are all talk little action. ...
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