A non-evasive forensic evaluation of Rameses II

[berschneider]

Limesucker said:

To put it in perspective, here's another depiction of Ramesses II (right), c

Not a pretty sight. I wonder where is he dragging those Black people and their Semitic friend to?

[Berter]

berschneider said:

Indeed! I thought Egyptian males had female breasts and they had to paint them dark brown to distinguish who is who.

Akhenaton, King Tut's father, had remarkable feminine features: female-like breasts and a wide pelvis with fat hips ....Tut inherited the male enlarged breasts...
1. Akhenaton

2. King Tut

www.egyptorigins.com/kingtut.htm

[berschneider]

Berter said:

Akhenaton, King Tut's father, had remarkable feminine features: female-like breasts and a wide pelvis with fat hips ....Tut inherited the male enlarged breasts...
1. Akhenaton

2. King Tut

www.egyptorigins.com/kingtut.htm

amazing stuff:)

[TutanKa]

I watched a documentary some time ago that mentioned that Akhenaton was probably depicted the way he is because he had a physical disability.

Here's a little bit from this site: www.sangraal.com/Akhenaten.htm

(Without digressing too far into the subject of congenital disorders, let me just suggest that Amenhotep IV, Ahkenaton, suffered from extra chromosome syndrome, that he was in fact a 47XXY. Normally, humans have 46 chromosomes and gender is determined by the sex chromosomes, X and Y. Females have two X chromosomes and males have an X and a Y. In a small percentage of conceptions, an extra Y chromosome fertilizes an X bearing egg. This produces a male 47XYY. In an even smaller percentage of conceptions, an extra Y chromosome fertilizes an XX, or female gendered, egg. The extra Y chromosome, an indicator of maleness, disturbs the XX egg and produces a wide range of hermaphroditic-like genetic abnormalities. While Ahkenaton was not a hermaphrodite, his overall body type suggests a hormonal dysfunction of the sort produced by a 47XXY problem. The psychological effect of this disorder can range from clinical retardation to severe emotional instability with psychotic obsessions and manias.)

[berschneider]

TutanKa said:

I watched a documentary some time ago that mentioned that Akhenaton was probably depicted the way he is because he had a physical disability.

Here's a little bit from this site: www.sangraal.com/Akhenaten.htm

Thanks for the link - fascinating stuff.

[caucasoid]

Scoob said:

People in that part of Africa are some of the darkest in the world. NE Africans such as Ethiopians commonly combine the blackest skin in Africa with very fine Caucasian-like fine features.

Ethiopians have Negroid admixture though.

[darksphere]

Regarding Ramses then back in 1985 scientists took samples of his hair for genetical testing.

Pheomelanin was found to be dominant in most of the hair whereas other hairs were white(allthough dyed with something - seems Ramses didn't want to look old).

The pheomelanin in the hair of course seems to suggest fairly light hair. Even rather dark hair contains contains pheomelanin but it does narrow down the chance of Ramses being negroid quite a lot.

Some short excerpts from the report(translated into English):

"...Under the microscope, there were hairs of two colors : 1) redhead and pigmented; 2) white and completely depigmented, but also colored in sallow by a dye. The fact that the white hairs have
under the microscope a sallow hue, it was noted that one used the dilute dye. While reasoning by analogy, one is right to think that the pigmented hairs have been submitted them also to the coloration
that, if [the hair] was only light, could have tampered pigments of origin strongly, whom appears redhead... "


"It was not possible to recover on the die-hard-thin cuts of the very particular morphologies characterizing pigments of hairs redhead. Nevertheless, observations to the electronic microscope to sweep suggest a certain analogy between hairs of Ramsès II and the present redhead hairs. Results in MEB perfectly confirm those gotten by the laboratory of L'oréal."

The whole report is called La momie de Ramses II: Contribution scientifique à l'égyptologique, Lionel, Balout; Roubert, C., Desroches-Noblecourt, Christiane, (Paris, 1985).
So those who are familiar with French can go look for it...

[TutanKa]

berschneider said:

Thanks for the link - fascinating stuff.

Welcome.