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Post by unknown on Mar 18, 2004 13:50:33 GMT -5
"...and the coarse Mediterranean type found among the peasantry in most of Spain, short of stature, relatively thick-set, with a mesocephalic head form, a short, broad-looking face, and a short, broad, and often concave nose."
On some of the classifying threads Iberians and South Americans that fit this description are dismissed as being 'Alpinid' (which doesn't make much sense considering Coon notes that there are no Alpines in Iberia) or even 'racially mixed'. I think this shoddy behaviour should be stopped. Med fetishits should wake up and realize that many if not most Mediteraneans in Spain and Portugirl are not of the tall, well built, handsome blue eyed Atlanto variety.
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Post by galvez on Mar 18, 2004 18:54:50 GMT -5
"...and the coarse Mediterranean type found among the peasantry in most of Spain, short of stature, relatively thick-set, with a mesocephalic head form, a short, broad-looking face, and a short, broad, and often concave nose." On some of the classifying threads Iberians and South Americans that fit this description are dismissed as being 'Alpinid' (which doesn't make much sense considering Coon notes that there are no Alpines in Iberia) or even 'racially mixed'. I think this shoddy behaviour should be stopped. Med fetishits should wake up and realize that many if not most Mediteraneans in Spain and Portugirl are not of the tall, well built, handsome blue eyed Atlanto variety. Again, I struck a nerve. Now your focus is on Iberian Mediterraneans. You are also so unoriginal as to co-opt some of the terminology used by Meds who debate certain historical revisionists. By the way, Nordicists classified me as a "Paleo-Atlantid." The "Atlanto" is thus very much a Med. Also, some phenotype freaks focus on stereotypes (exaggerated characteristics of a group applied to individuals) and abstract notions, but when it comes down to it many are mistaken for Med or are considered not fully Europid if and when they finally post their pics. Some are even labeled Jewish. There are attractive people all over Europe. Come to think of it, many Southern Europeans are far more "Nordish" than some of the most vociferous Nordicists out there. Generalizations have their limitations.
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Post by galvez on Mar 18, 2004 19:45:09 GMT -5
I re-read unknown's illiterate posting and realized that he snuck some profanity into his post (fetishits) and deliberately misspelled Portugal as "Portugirl." It seems Mynydd was correct when he referred to unknown as an "ignorant animal" due to his arrogance and lack of knowledge of Civilization in Iberia before Greek and Roman settlement. This will be unknown's last warning. Unknown should follow Mynydd's advice about evolving into a civilized person: following the examples of the Greeks and Romans -- if not the Iberians whom he so loathes -- and acting like a grown-up. Be a man unknown and start reading history. In time you may reach a fraction of the knowledge possessed by Mynydd -- an Iberian who is 6'3" and thus who could use the heads of most Nordicists as a platform or footrest.
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Post by heydrich on Mar 19, 2004 8:21:17 GMT -5
This is a fascinating subject. I have sometimes wondered how to classify this variety of people, who constitute a minority in Spain and Portugal, but nevertheless a very visible one, due to their "caveman-like" features. These "coarse mediterraneans" do not seem to fit into any traditional anthropological classification, since they do not correspond to the usual descriptions of the meditarranid or berid varieties. The classic mediterranid variety, for example, is often described as a smaller, less rugged and more pigmented nordid, but this description is totally at odds with the physical description of the "coarse mediterraneans", with their stunted, thick set physique, and their coarse features. This is the central racial type that northern europeans use as an example to denigrate southern europeans, particularly iberians, because it has almost no correspondence in their own countries. Rare examples exist, such as the prime minister of Denmark, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who despite having blue eyes and a relatively lighter skin than his iberian counterparts, displays the coarse features, low forehead and massive jaws that classify this type. When I posted this photo of Rasmussen at Skadi forum, they classified it as Cro-Magnon (UP) with Borreby influence. But this seems to me not to be the whole story. Cro-magnon skulls, while having a relatively low face, seem to me to have finer features than correspond to this type. A possibility would be admixture with Neanderthal men. This hypothesis, although controversial, is tempting to anyone who is familiar with the iberian physical appearance. The "coarse mediterranean" type is characterized by large orbits (with relation to the rest of the skull), a broad jaw (but no prominent chin), large teeth, and coarse nose and mouth - seemingly Neanderthal characteristics. It is also dolichocephalic, due to an elongation of the skull case, but the face is broad, giving the appearace of a "loaf-face". The Neanderthal hypothesis is perhaps not that absurd, since it is known that the iberian peninsula was the region in Europe where Neanderthals lived until most recently.
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Post by Graeme on Mar 19, 2004 10:25:24 GMT -5
Neanderthals eh? heydrich what are you on? Have you or that other guy ever been to Spain or Portugal? I have lot of times and I don't know what you two are going on about. Coarse, cavemen, stunted, big teeth, no chin? Most European men including Spanish and Portuguese, Italians and Greeks are > 170 cm tall. I don't think that is stunted. The Brunn and Borreby are mostly restricted to the north not the south. Neanderthals are extinct and it is unlikely that they interbreed with humans even Icelanders or Danes.
If I were to ascribe most of those features mentioned by you two to any nationalities it would be to Norwegians, Swedes, Finns and Russians. And I am not talking about the Saami. The tallest people in Europe are in the Netherlands not in the northlands, so whose stunted?
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Post by heydrich on Mar 19, 2004 10:38:02 GMT -5
Do not misunderstand me, Graeme. Despite my nickname, I am a southern european and have no intention of denigrating meds, but I have to admit that this type of very primitive looking person exists. It tends to be quite hairy as well. Anders Rasmussen is a good example, but unfortunately I haven't figured out how to attach pictures, othewise I would show you. This racial type is also rather visible in the near east and north africa, in fact even more than in southern europe, existing alongside with fine featured "arabs". That is perhaps one of the reasons, apart from its objective and patent primitiveness, that makes it a target of nordicists.
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Post by heydrich on Mar 22, 2004 5:16:25 GMT -5
Here go the photos of Anders Rasmussen (thanks for the assistance, AWAR). I would like to have your comments.
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Post by unknown on Mar 22, 2004 14:44:03 GMT -5
Neanderthals eh? heydrich what are you on? Have you or that other guy ever been to Spain or Portugal? I have lot of times and I don't know what you two are going on about. Coarse, cavemen, stunted, big teeth, no chin? Most European men including Spanish and Portuguese, Italians and Greeks are > 170 cm tall. I don't think that is stunted. The Brunn and Borreby are mostly restricted to the north not the south. Neanderthals are extinct and it is unlikely that they interbreed with humans even Icelanders or Danes. If I were to ascribe most of those features mentioned by you two to any nationalities it would be to Norwegians, Swedes, Finns and Russians. And I am not talking about the Saami. The tallest people in Europe are in the Netherlands not in the northlands, so whose stunted? "20. Even though data on diet are scarce, analyses can draw on data on the outcome of eating patterns, i.e. weight. In the Community, one out of every five women is overweight as measured by the body mass index (BMI), while 15% are underweight. The highest incidences of excess weight are in Greece (33.2%) and Portugal (28.5%), and the lowest in France (15.5%) and Denmark (16.6%). Being overweight is a significant risk factor for heart disease, diabetes and cancer." europa.eu.int/scadplus/leg/en/cha/c11558.htm
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Post by unknown on Mar 22, 2004 15:03:43 GMT -5
This is a fascinating subject. I have sometimes wondered how to classify this variety of people, who constitute a minority in Spain and Portugal, but nevertheless a very visible one, due to their "caveman-like" features. These "coarse mediterraneans" do not seem to fit into any traditional anthropological classification, since they do not correspond to the usual descriptions of the meditarranid or berid varieties. The classic mediterranid variety, for example, is often described as a smaller, less rugged and more pigmented nordid, but this description is totally at odds with the physical description of the "coarse mediterraneans", with their stunted, thick set physique, and their coarse features. This is the central racial type that northern europeans use as an example to denigrate southern europeans, particularly iberians, because it has almost no correspondence in their own countries. Rare examples exist, such as the prime minister of Denmark, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who despite having blue eyes and a relatively lighter skin than his iberian counterparts, displays the coarse features, low forehead and massive jaws that classify this type. When I posted this photo of Rasmussen at Skadi forum, they classified it as Cro-Magnon (UP) with Borreby influence. But this seems to me not to be the whole story. Cro-magnon skulls, while having a relatively low face, seem to me to have finer features than correspond to this type. A possibility would be admixture with Neanderthal men. This hypothesis, although controversial, is tempting to anyone who is familiar with the iberian physical appearance. The "coarse mediterranean" type is characterized by large orbits (with relation to the rest of the skull), a broad jaw (but no prominent chin), large teeth, and coarse nose and mouth - seemingly Neanderthal characteristics. It is also dolichocephalic, due to an elongation of the skull case, but the face is broad, giving the appearace of a "loaf-face". The Neanderthal hypothesis is perhaps not that absurd, since it is known that the iberian peninsula was the region in Europe where Neanderthals lived until most recently. I don't agree that this type has a massive jaw. The coarse meds I've seen have extremely rounded features, indeed this is what makes them so ugly and non-white looking (ie the total opposite of the statuesque look most people associate with caucasians). Plus the coarse meds don't take very good care of themselves, they're often obese in their mid 20s! The rest I agree with you though especially the large teeth and short, thick calves. This portugese woman is a perfect example of what I am refering to: wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep-img/whos/leg5/2163.jpg [/img] Paint her face brown and... she probably wouldn't look out of place in Iran.
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Post by galvez on Mar 22, 2004 18:07:20 GMT -5
[/img] Paint her face brown and... she probably wouldn't look out of place in Iran.[/quote] Maybe she wouldn't look out of place in Iran if her face was painted brown. But then, maybe if she was more depigmented, she wouldn't look out of place in Northern France or other parts of Northern Europe. Come to think of it, she has lighter hair than Arthur Kemp and may even be more depigmented. Her features are very European.
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Post by Silveira on Mar 22, 2004 18:13:54 GMT -5
No, she is not particularly pretty but then again she is somewhat past her prime... I don´t see anything non-European about her at all. There are many "pig-faced" people in England and elsewhere.
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Post by galvez on Mar 22, 2004 18:28:41 GMT -5
No, she is not particularly pretty but then again she is somewhat past her prime... I don´t see anything non-European about her at all. There are many "pig-faced" people in England and elsewhere. She is past her prime, but she is definitely not unattractive in relative terms for her age. She looks like a normal European lady. Unknown seems to have a "personal score to settle" with Iberians. He either had a bad experience with Iberians or is out to provoke one of the Iberians on this board, for personal reasons. He probably got his butt kicked by an Iberian or maybe a girl he liked was holding hands with one... or maybe he was intellectually beat by one and decided to use another screenname to "get back at da man." ;D
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Post by Silveira on Mar 22, 2004 19:08:38 GMT -5
Yes. This gentleman seems to have a personal vendetta against the natives of our sunny peninsula. His posts explain more about the petty personal hatreds and infantile emotions which inspire his actions rather than the people he thinks he is insulting in his posts.
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Post by heydrich on Mar 24, 2004 6:49:38 GMT -5
I think this thread should not be terminated just for having begun with offensive intentions. As I said before, this is a fascinating topic, which deserves detailed discussion in this forum. The coarse mediterranean type exists in almost pure form, but also influences, through minor features, people who are not primarily of that type. Another quite pure example is the portuguese runner Domingos Castro. Notice the coarse, straight nose and the low face and braincase. Notice also the gray beard shadow and the heavy eyebrows - a manifestation of hairiness. Although more pigmented and with wavy hair, he is primarily of the same type as Anders Rasmussen (sorry for the dark picture).
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Post by caucasoid on Mar 24, 2004 10:12:09 GMT -5
I wonder if the "coarse mediterranean" type is related to the Mechtoids?
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