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Post by galvez on Dec 16, 2003 4:15:44 GMT -5
The person who gave me the most detailed analysis -- and I think it carries some weight because it was based on a close-up that did not mask any of my dark features whatever (perhaps it enhanced some) -- labeled me a "Paleo-Atlantid," as did a fellow poster in a specific forum dedicated to "Nordish" anthropology. Here is the distribution of my supposed type in parts of Northern Europe: Wales: -----....--------------- -..30% England: -------------------..----10% Scotland: ----------.....----------10% Ireland: -------------------------..3% Iceland: -----.....------.------..---3% www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/rg-paleo.htmAccording to McCulloch and his followers, my type thrives to a great extent in the British Isles -- and can even be found in Iceland. Perhaps this is the Catalan, Irish, French and Guanche part of me, I don't know -- or maybe this whole thing is totally bogus. Either way, if I am to be purged from a "Nordish" state, millions of other Northern Europeans will have to be purged too. The crucial thing here, I think, is that I was judged before others knew my ancestry. As a person makes enemies and develops political rivalries he is likely to be seen as more and more negative by political opponents -- thus, because "Meds" are a negative category, if I were to post up my pic again more likely than not more Med than ever before will be seen. In fact, I suspect that nasty comments might even be made about Semitic or Moorish or whatever can be used as a weapon -- these are the biases which plague racial classification on the internet. A perfect example of this is Volksdeutsche: his friends say he is "periphery Nordic," whereas others (especially his opponents) say he is Turkish. According to the classification I was given by a rabid Nordicist (before and after I gave my identity away), I am placed with Catherine Zeta-Jones. |
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Post by AWAR on Dec 19, 2003 23:08:11 GMT -5
I totally understand what you're saying.
It was a mistake of mine to actually state my Montenegrin ( thus 'Med' ) origin when I sought classification.
This resulted in tendentious classifications ( armenoid, pontid etc. ) which was annoying.
Paleo-Atlantids are a sort of building brick of the Nordish myth, because there are many darker pigmented people in the Brittish Isles ( and even Scandinavia ), and this was an invention, an attempt to try to rationalize why they are indigenous to 'Nordish' countries.
The term Nordish is more of a political one, a way to try to incorporate EVERYONE whose ancestry is bound to certain countries, within certain borders. It's a concept that strains itself to rationalize EVERY Brittish citizen into being equally as Nordish as Scandinavians because the Nordish movement requires the political strength of the people who live in, or are descended from Brittish isles.
I bet that there are a lot of Brits who have partial ancestry ( sometimes lost in the last 200 years ) hailing from India.
Britain was a colonial force that incorporated the Indian sub-continent, America, Australia, yet somehow, Nordishism wants us to believe that Brits never brought back any 'darker' racial influence into Britain.
Nordishism wants us to believe that Brits are somehow racially 'pure' Nordish stock, while French, Spanish and others are supposed 'Mongrels'.
If it suits it's political needs, Nordishists will incorporate Tibetans, Pygmees, Serbs, Birds, Kangaroos and various insects into their Nordish state. ;D
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Post by herrx on Dec 20, 2003 1:23:13 GMT -5
as i said before, if volksdeutche is a peripheral nordic, i'm a hallstatt. ;D
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Post by galvez on Dec 21, 2003 4:20:53 GMT -5
I totally understand what you're saying. It was a mistake of mine to actually state my Montenegrin ( thus 'Med' ) origin when I sought classification. Yes, I have made this mistake as well. Actually, this is a topic worthy of a LENGHTY essay or at least a far more detailed analysis, and we can do it right here at Dodona. Not only can clues you give influence the judgements of others, but so can other factors such as the type of pic you submit. It's best, in my view, to leave out any possible clues -- often people will leave clues in the screenname they use, the background of the photo, and giving out their info beforehand in a post. This is exactly what I mean. Yes. I knew a person claiming British ancestry who would deny any links between Mediterraneans and the British Isles, even though they exist to some extent based on prehistory. To him, the "dark" British elements were perfectly "Nordish" or Anglo-Saxon or whatever. I thought about why a person would be so crazy to deny the obvious Med settlement of the British Isles in prehistoric times, and I realized it had to do with his personal anxieties about possibly being part-Med, despite his relative depigmentation. |
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Post by AWAR on Dec 21, 2003 12:43:53 GMT -5
Who cares about such opinions in the end. For example: I have blue-grey eyes, and I'm fairly depigmented. Some people actually didn't believe that I have this type of pigmentation.  I came in for a fair classification, I gave my photos and basic info because I'm interested in CLASSIFICATION, not being accepted into some imaginary Nordish state. Why would anyone think I'd lie about that basic info is beyond comprehension to me. They're probably sitting back home in Canada, or somewhere like that, beside a furnace and a PC, and from there, they wage their wars against anyone who isn't like their ideal image of themselves  That exact type of thinking and acting most reminds me of Cartman, the south park character. Whenever I read such a tendentious post, I visualise Cartman saying "nya-nya, you can't go to my Nordish state". ;D |
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Post by Rarog on Dec 21, 2003 13:16:26 GMT -5
>>>A perfect example of this is Volksdeutsche: his friends say he is "periphery Nordic," whereas others (especially his opponents) say he is Turkish. That's not the end of the story. Himself he claims to be "Hallstatt Nordic" and "Germanic". LMAO His friends, however, realize, of course, that he's very close to them in terms of pigmentation, and thus can not de-classify him from the "Nordish" category, as in this case their own status in their own eyes will be dubious. As it was repeated many times: "pigmentation doesn't matter"...  |
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Post by herrx on Dec 21, 2003 20:11:04 GMT -5
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Post by galvez on Dec 26, 2003 0:03:43 GMT -5
As it was repeated many times: "pigmentation doesn't matter"... This is one of the biggest lies in racial classification forums. Pigmentation does matter and it influences how people will classify you. Pigmentation may be a secondary factor, but it is nonetheless a factor in classification. This is one weakness of classification on the internet: photos can distort the level of pigmentation. |
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Post by ProdigalSon on Dec 26, 2003 22:49:57 GMT -5
"Paleo-Atlantids" do not exist. "Paleo-Atlantid" is a McCuollochian euphemism for the much more accurate "West Medtierranean." McCulloch thinks that by sticking a misleading label on it, he'll somehow hide the fact that the racial type of Catherine Zeta Jones and Paul McCarthy is no different from that of most Iberians.
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Post by AWAR on Dec 26, 2003 23:07:53 GMT -5
"Paleo-Atlantids" do not exist. "Paleo-Atlantid" is a McCuollochian euphemism for the much more accurate "West Medtierranean." McCulloch thinks that by sticking a misleading label on it, he'll somehow hide the fact that the racial type of Catherine Zeta Jones and Paul McCarthy is no different from that of most Iberians. See my post about the same subject here:http://www.skadi.net/forum/showthread.php?p=70066#post70066 |
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Post by ProdigalSon on Dec 26, 2003 23:58:23 GMT -5
See my post about the same subject here:http://www.skadi.net/forum/showthread.php?p=70066#post70066 I am IP-banned from skadi. |
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Post by rusalka on Dec 27, 2003 0:16:04 GMT -5
I am IP-banned from skadi. Whoa! Why? (well okay, not very 'on' topic) |
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Post by AWAR on Dec 27, 2003 2:00:30 GMT -5
I am IP-banned from skadi. I see absolutely no real reason for any of the mods there to do that. In any case, now we got you all for Dodona In that post at Skadi I 'wondered' how on earth will McCulloch rationalize anglo-paki mixes. I bet that McC will invent a new category for these guys, just so he could fit them into his 'Nordish' scheme and invent that they are some sort of pre-historic Englishmen  |
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Post by herrx on Dec 27, 2003 2:11:16 GMT -5
Only a comment: I think George Harrison(classiefied as paleo-atlantid) could be classified as Dinarid:  |
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Post by great99 on Dec 27, 2003 9:44:06 GMT -5
Only a comment: I think George Harrison(classiefied as paleo-atlantid) could be classified as Dinarid: With thise gracily traits, he don't fit in dinaric type. |
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