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Post by Educate Me on Jan 30, 2006 13:47:15 GMT -5
So, Agrippa, to you phenotype matters more than actual ancestry?
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 30, 2006 14:34:11 GMT -5
Well, depends on the exact "black indivdiual" you would present. If you mean people like Wesley Snipes or Eddie Murphy, I agree with you.
Depends. Important is not just the individual phenotype, but the genotypical characteristics which determined it and would determine that of his possible ancestry too.
So lets put it that way:
Two lines of mixed people, in one line the element A was bred out, whereas B fully re-emerged with all typical traits: This individual would be B even if parts of his genetic background show still traces of admixture in genes without function.
Opposite is true in an individual which would have even lower admixture but would still have traits of A because the small admixture was bred over generations.
I mean to put it simple, to be the descendent of a genius but being an idiot yourself won't make you a genius. So especially valuably traits are partly of greater importance than sheer ancestry, thats obvious.
Ancestry matters too, sure it does, and in most cases in reality you won't find a huge gap if speaking about racial types and ancestry.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 30, 2006 14:50:05 GMT -5
Well, depends on the exact "black indivdiual" you would present. If you mean people like Wesley Snipes or Eddie Murphy, I agree with you. No, not even people like Wesley Snipes and Eddie Murphy are Africans in America, they're biologically African-Americans, they can look one way and have genetic ancestry thats totally different. I know to you its all about looks but genuine black Africans would be able tell the difference. |
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 30, 2006 14:59:34 GMT -5
Sure, there might be a minor difference, though in many I see none, but the difference inside the AA spectrum is still bigger than between Wesley Snipes and a West African Sudanid if looking at the racial type.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 30, 2006 15:07:31 GMT -5
Sure, there might be a minor difference, though in many I see none, but the difference inside the AA spectrum is still bigger than between Wesley Snipes and a West African Sudanid if looking at the racial type. I see , the true Negro theory even applies to black Americans,like i said an African would know immediately that those two are AAs. |
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Post by Melani2333 on Jan 30, 2006 15:25:24 GMT -5
Sure, there might be a minor difference, though in many I see none, but the difference inside the AA spectrum is still bigger than between Wesley Snipes and a West African Sudanid if looking at the racial type. I see , the true Negro theory even applies to black Americans,like i said an African would know immediately that those two are AAs. \ Correct. Africans can usually tell. Not 100% of the time, but most times. And I'm not talking about dress, speech or mannerisms, walk, etc. Judging by appearance only, they know who and what Black Americans are - even the dark-skinned ones we think look most African. They can tell. They know we are not "one of them". IMO, Whoopi Goldberg isn't African looking, despite her dreads and dark color. Wesley Snipes, maybe....  Denzel, no. Take a group of dark Black Americans and a group of medium skinned Africans all dressed the same and silent, and you will be able to still tell which group is American vs. African.  |
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 30, 2006 15:39:22 GMT -5
I see , the true Negro theory even applies to black Americans,like i said an African would know immediately that those two are AAs. \ Correct. Africans can usually tell. Not 100% of the time, but most times. And I'm not talking about dress, speech or mannerisms, walk, etc. Judging by appearance only, they know who and what Black Americans are - even the dark-skinned ones we think look most African. They can tell. They know we are not "one of them". IMO, Whoopi Goldberg isn't African looking, despite her dreads and dark color. Wesley Snipes, maybe.... Denzel, no. Take a group of dark Black Americans and a group of medium skinned Africans all dressed the same and silent, and you will be able to still tell which group is American vs. African. Definitely true. Afro-Americans can even tell an African in the same way. People like Agrippa look at people and make conclusions based on looks alone. using his logic about Wesley Snipes and Eddie Murphy, one could say any AA that doesn't look like those two are mulattoes basically, there are even Africans who look less extreme than Wesley and Eddie but an African would still know they was African and not AA. |
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 30, 2006 15:50:18 GMT -5
I can agree with both of you, even I saw that. If I see Negroids in my town I usually see if they are Americans, even if they are from Latin America partly, or come "directly" from Africa. Again it depends on the individual, its not skin color alone I'm looking for. F.e. compare this two prototypical Sudanids with Wesley Snipes: www.africarte.it/foto-storiche/Tipi%20sudanesi.JPGwww.movieactors.com/photos-misc/passenger57-sm.jpegIts the whole bone structure which is the same and many West Africans look less Sudanid than he does. But as I said, the average AA is a mixture of various African types with admixture from non-Negrid, non-African ones. Compare with the image of an "American Negrid" from Glowatzki I posted on Skadi+Stirpes: forum.stirpes.net/showthread.php?t=2343He said that fully Negrid individuals can be rarely seen in the USA... |
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Post by magneto on Jan 30, 2006 16:44:32 GMT -5
...unless Im reading what you typed wrong,who are these non-negrid Africans?   ^^between the two,who is more negrid by your standards? |
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 30, 2006 16:53:31 GMT -5
Mistake from my side. Though non-Negrid elements came into AA Americans, even Moor slaves and Guanches, at least in some areas (not only speaking about US-blacks), I meant primarily more recent European and less, but still, Indianid admixture.
Correced it.
Concerning those two, I know Wesley very well from various pictures and movies, but the other not and the picture is not the best, do you have more?
They are both quite Negrid, but bone structure Wesley more probably.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Jan 31, 2006 10:52:44 GMT -5
The guy on the left looks like he has 10% medit admixture. He can pass as partially ethio or somali.
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Post by magneto on Jan 31, 2006 10:55:48 GMT -5
Mistake from my side. Though non-Negrid elements came into AA Americans, even Moor slaves and Guanches, at least in some areas (not only speaking about US-blacks), I meant primarily more recent European and less, but still, Indianid admixture. Correced it. Concerning those two, I know Wesley very well from various pictures and movies, but the other not and the picture is not the best, do you have more? They are both quite Negrid, but bone structure Wesley more probably. Na,I don't have any more pictures of that guy.What about these people.How "negrid" are they in your opinion 1.  2.  3.  4.  5.  ^^each one |
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Post by magneto on Jan 31, 2006 10:58:35 GMT -5
The guy on the left looks like he has 10% medit admixture. LOL..I don't think so |
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 31, 2006 11:03:28 GMT -5
They are all NegrOid but show signs of other influences, are closest to the Aethiopid category. This picture is striking, showing a pred. Sudanid male beside two clearly mixed and morphologically intermediate to more Europoid looking females: img129.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=471ae_5.jpg |
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Post by magneto on Jan 31, 2006 11:13:02 GMT -5
They are all NegrOid but show signs of other influences, are closest to the Aethiopid category. I wanna know what you think their "type" is.Sudanind,PaleoNeg,Aethiopid etc... 1__ 2__ 3__ 4__ LOL..so you're saying those girls are closer to "caucasoid" than "negroid"? |
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Denzel, no. Take a group of dark Black Americans and a group of medium skinned Africans all dressed the same and silent, and you will be able to still tell which group is American vs. African.
