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Post by buddy on Jan 15, 2006 4:16:18 GMT -5
^Honestly, I don't really see much. Perhaps my eyes aren't sharp enough to detect any admixture, but I actually think that she has features which are classically Spanish and west Med. Perhaps her slightly broader face is an indication of any Amerindian heritage, but I'm trying not to let geography cloud my judgment. All in all, I say she'd blend well in Spain. Perhaps Eufrenio, Droop, or the other Iberians could offer opinions?
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Post by buddy on Jan 15, 2006 4:22:03 GMT -5
^I've noticed on average, widely set eyes are more common in East Asians and Amerindians. gambler> i never knew that. buddy>About my comment on the whole criollo thing, at least when I was in Costa Rica, my friends were mostly northern European-looking whereas as you know, I have more of a southern European phenotype. A few of the locals approached me in Spanish when I went off to buy some tequila haha. gambler> The stereotype in Latin America is that a "gringo" is blonde and blue eyed. buddy> I figured that was the reason. However, I'm sure Argentina would be the one Latin American country where I'd look most at home (due to its large Italian population, along with various other European groups). gambler> True. I don't doubt it. Haha, yeah several of my friends were stereotypical "gringos" for sure. They were typical white Americans, thus mostly German, Irish, and British in ancestry.
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Post by asdf on Jan 15, 2006 4:37:24 GMT -5
Drooperdoo's American, not Iberian.
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 15, 2006 5:21:18 GMT -5
Just wondering, how do you think most of these mestizos would be viewed in Spain? They´ll be viewed as exotic foreigners.
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Post by Toasty on Jan 15, 2006 5:26:06 GMT -5
Drooperdoo's American, not Iberian. Didn't he live in Spain at one time though???
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 15, 2006 5:26:37 GMT -5
^Honestly, I don't really see much. Perhaps my eyes aren't sharp enough to detect any admixture, but I actually think that she has features which are classically Spanish and west Med. Perhaps her slightly broader face is an indication of any Amerindian heritage, but I'm trying not to let geography cloud my judgment. All in all, I say she'd blend well in Spain. Perhaps Eufrenio, Droop, or the other Iberians could offer opinions? Araceli could blend in. Which doesn´t rule out Amerindian blood, though it doesn´t really show on her phenotype. I´m no expert on mestizos, I can only say those that look exotic to me.
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Post by buddy on Jan 15, 2006 14:48:56 GMT -5
Drooperdoo's American, not Iberian. Well if you want to get technical yeah, but his ethnicity is Iberian (Spanish/Portuguese). That said, he should have a pretty good idea as to what his people look like. You really love to nitpick don't you?
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 18:02:25 GMT -5
^Honestly, I don't really see much. Perhaps my eyes aren't sharp enough to detect any admixture, but I actually think that she has features which are classically Spanish and west Med. Perhaps her slightly broader face is an indication of any Amerindian heritage, but I'm trying not to let geography cloud my judgment. All in all, I say she'd blend well in Spain. Perhaps Eufrenio, Droop, or the other Iberians could offer opinions? Ok, i once saw Aracel Arambula's mother she looks light Mestiza. Her dad is probably full blooded European.
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Post by Josh on Jan 15, 2006 21:48:01 GMT -5
I think Josh also stated that where he lives in Washington, there is a substantial Mexican-American community, with most of the people looking more on the Amerindian side. My general observation is that the younger immigrants tend to look more Amerindian, with them making up at least 50% of the younger population. However, I've noticed that most of the people who work at Mexican restaurants (who tend to be in their 20s and 30s) are from Jalisco. I'd say that most of them are more or less 50-50 Mestizos. Overall, I suspect that the Mexicans of Washington are more Amerindian on average than the current population of Mexico. Though maybe I just notice the Amerindian looking ones more, since I know that there are more Euro looking ones.
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Post by asdf on Jan 16, 2006 10:42:04 GMT -5
Drooperdoo's American, not Iberian. Well if you want to get technical yeah, but his ethnicity is Iberian (Spanish/Portuguese). That said, he should have a pretty good idea as to what his people look like. You really love to nitpick don't you? The point was having ancestry from a country doesn't make you knowledgeable on it, um, at all. Yeah, I'm sure you're an expert on Italian language, having Sicilian ancestry. Oh, and you think you look Middle-Eastern. That means you know Arabic. Your point was invalid unless he actually did live in Spain, and you know, actually saw 'his' people--unless you think he inherited all his ancestor's memories. Now if he's taken a good tour or two around the most of the area, I'm sure he has something to contribute.
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Post by buddy on Jan 16, 2006 17:36:33 GMT -5
^Still suffering from PMS eh Forrester? Listen, and listen well, if you come from a certain ethnicity and weren't raised entirely in the dark about your people, you would have a fairly good idea regarding the range of appearances within your ethnic group. That said, Droop knows that Iberians don't look like mestizos for example, something which certain people fail to notice.
Oh, and about your thinking that I think I look Middle Eastern, I'll say this one more time, I NEVER said that. It's OTHER people who have said that on this forum, I more or less just took it with a grain of salt. You've been listening to Abdul too much. I never purported myself to be an expert on Italy, so stop putting words into my mouth. Once again you're just displaying how truly unpleasant of a person you are. You have issues my friend. Go see a shrink.
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Post by Josh on Jan 16, 2006 17:51:53 GMT -5
I thought that Droop lived in Spain. In fact, I thought he was born there and moved to the US later.
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Post by asdf on Jan 19, 2006 4:01:22 GMT -5
He told me he lived there as a kid, yes, and might have a fuzzy or perhaps quite good idea on a certain areas.
Here comes the big one! It's NOT offensive111one. I never said you thought you were an expert. Stop putting words in -my- mouth. I don't see you claiming I said you were an expert on the Middle-East, even though I made the same comparison there, so what's the deal? It was an example to clarify what you didn't get in the first place. You can read better than that, I'm sure.
Unpleasant? For stating where a person lives? Can't take one disagreement on a forum and you want me see a shrink?
Expecting to catch flies with vinegar?
Refrain from making comments like this, admit you engaged me with a negative intention and you won't seem me "PMSing". Note: this works with most people.
If you want to explain why you used that tone and expected a friendly response, I'm all ears. You could just show me where I'm wrong, dead-wrong.
What does that even mean? Either (1) you have the benifit of seeing a small amount of relatives and can base your preconceptions on that instead of no knowledge, (2) you lived there for a while and have a good memory of the place, (most possible candidate in case you were wondering, although it has little to do with your point) or (3) your parents gave you Physical Anthropology lessons and showed you lots and lots of plates.
What did you actually mean by not being in the dark?
Not on this forum. Drooperdoo, though hazy on Mestizos would know something, but (and this is my only point) not as much as Eufrenio.
Anyway, I have no real problem with you and rarely bump into you anyway, so peace out. We're just fine.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jan 19, 2006 9:21:54 GMT -5
Hell I noticed that alot of Europeans from their respective countries who are ignorant of their own histories...so that point is rather dubious. Any person with good and clear mind can study up on other countries and become experts whether for a degree or just as a hobby and point of high interest.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jan 19, 2006 14:00:45 GMT -5
I was born in Portuguese strong-hold, Newark, New Jersey. My dad's family left Portugal the generation before [as part of the massive flood of Portuguese who filled Boston, Rhode Island and New Jersey]. My mom's family left Spain as a result of the Spanish Civil War. Some members of her family [logically] went to South America. Her branch just happened to go to the United States. I went back to Spain and lived there for a year and a half when I was 15 years-old. I have cousins, obviously, in Spain, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Argentina--and my aunt married a Mexican. My opinions on the mestizo question are conditioned by a trip to South America (where I was appalled at the treatment meted out to the descendants of the Inca). As to Mexican mestizos, I only know about the politics of the nation from my aunt's husband. He's a 6'2'' tall Tom Selleck-looking Spanish-Mexican. So he cuts quite a different figure than the new flood of predominantly Amerindic peoples who are entering the United States illegally. So I apologize if I repeat what my family tells me, or what I've seen with my own eyes. I know it's not always welcome: Every nation has its "noble lies," its psychological sore spots. In the past, I've said over and over again that the older generation of Mexican immigrants tended to be actual mestizos (with more dna on the Spanish side), whereas the new generation seems to be Mexico's poorest--hence most Indian. No matter what Forrester tries to convince me, I can't seem to overcome the evidence of my eyes when I'm looking at a 5'1'' Mexican with brick-red skin, a squat Aztec build and he's speaking Nahuatl--and I draw the conclusion that he's pretty much wholly Aztec. I know he wants me to pretend that this new influx is a bunch of Ricardo Montalbans . . . but I'm sorry: They look more like Tattoo. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha "...And, no: For the last time--get away from my car. I don't want to buy any Chicklets!"
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