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Post by Funky Kong on Jan 23, 2006 12:00:03 GMT -5
Well, and that's why i ask too. Figure 6 Geographical distribution of Eu 9 and Eu 10. The haplogroups are represented by different shades of grey as designated. The number in each pie indicates the population analyzed. The data are from Semino et al. (2000) for the following populations: 1 = Sardinians; 2 = central-northern Italians; 3 = Calabrians; 4 = Greeks; 5 = Macedonians; 6 = Ukrainians; 7 = Turks; 8 = Lebanese; 10 = Syrians; and 12 = Georgians. Data from the present study are from the following populations: 9 = Jews; 11 = Palestinian Arabs; and 13 = Muslim Kurds. Does Eu10 represent South Arabians?
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Post by gambin on Jan 23, 2006 16:11:07 GMT -5
"Eu10" = southern Levantines/North Arabians and its spread is usually identified as being synonymous with the expansion of Islamic Arabs.
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Post by Yankel on Jan 23, 2006 21:49:32 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Lebanese Muslims have higher levels of eu10 (31%) than even Temanim. And the GMH is rarely found among Jews. Take a look at this map from Capelli (2005): CLE = Lebanese Christians, MLE = Lebanese Mulims, AJE = Ashkenazi Jews, KJE = Kurdish Jews, SJE = Sephardic Jews Note that Lebanese Christians are found in the East-Central Mediterranean cluster, while Lebanese Muslims are in the Near Eastern/Arab cluster.
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Post by Funky Kong on Jan 24, 2006 5:22:52 GMT -5
Yeah, but that map i posted from the study was the overall population, and it looks like "Jews" have more Eu 10 than "Lebanese", whatever groups they took samples of.
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Post by Yankel on Jan 24, 2006 10:08:21 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure Lebanese Christians have something to do with that. Kurdish Jews have the highest levels of eu10 of any Jewish group, at 22%. Compare that to 31% in Lebanese Mulsims. Then consider the Galilee Modal Haplotype (GMH).
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Post by Funky Kong on Jan 24, 2006 10:21:03 GMT -5
Where did you get that Lebanese Muslims have 31% Eu10?
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Post by gambin on Jan 24, 2006 10:56:17 GMT -5
Where did you get that Lebanese Muslims have 31% Eu10? I don't think he meant "Eu10" specifically. Geneticists no longer use Eus anymore. That was something Semino did, but not any longer. They now all pretty much use the more universal J Haplogroup of which a certain subclade denotes Arabian-peninsula lineages. If I recall correctly, Muslim Lebanese do have around 30% of this subclade, whilst Christian Lebanese have around 10%.
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Post by Yankel on Jan 24, 2006 19:50:35 GMT -5
Yes, J* (xJ2) reaches 30% (31% actually, but that's pedantic) in Lebanese Muslims. It's found in over 30% of Palestinians, Iraqis and Syrians, too.
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Post by Funky Kong on Jan 30, 2006 20:06:25 GMT -5
It reaches 30% in individuals or in the overall population?
Regadless, Jews seem to have more EU10 than Lebanese, whatever that indicates.
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Post by Yankel on Jan 30, 2006 22:48:56 GMT -5
The overall population.
The only reason Lebanese people as a whole have lower rates of Eu10 is because of the massive Christian population. Syria has higher levels than Lebanon.
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Post by klabauter on Jan 31, 2006 2:26:33 GMT -5
Interesting is that the Jewish Kings of the line of "Antipater the Idumaean" they are the ones who strongly expanded the Jewish temple are highly linked to Nabatean Arabs. Also worth mentioning is that even according to the "Books of the Maccabees" the Maccabees took refugee by the Nabateans. Antipater the Idumaean en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipater_the_Idumaean
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Post by Yankel on Jan 31, 2006 4:19:52 GMT -5
What I find interesting is your claim that Ashkenazi Jews are "half-Saudi". What were you basing that on, again?
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Post by gambin on Jan 31, 2006 9:37:17 GMT -5
It reaches 30% in individuals or in the overall population? Regadless, Jews seem to have more EU10 than Lebanese, whatever that indicates. Well this is Y-Chromosomes, not autosomes. It means overall population as a male can only be identified with one Y chromosome haplotype. Whilst the Christian Lebanese were in the overall cluster with the Central-Mediterranean group they were on the periphery of it...leaning towards the Near Easterners and Arabs (which the Muslim Lebanese were unambiguously in the middle of). Sephardim were closer to the sampled Calabrians and Sicilians who in turn were on the periphery of the Central-Mediterranean group leaning towards the Iberians.
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Post by Funky Kong on Feb 6, 2006 21:12:12 GMT -5
Ah, i was distracted when we talked about "ancestry", hehe.
Does Eu9 represent "Armenid"?
And at what rate is Eu10 found in Yemen and the rest of the southern peninsula?
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