Any studies of the Philippines & Spanish gene mix?

[tonynatuzzi]

So at 1/4 Mongoloid you can still look White,my second cousin is 1/4 Hawaiin and he looks White.The rest of his ancestry is Italian and German.

[asdf]

That's irrelevant. Didn't you take high school biology? A quadroon could inherit only white genes. This is the whole point. Ignorance. A 50/50 cross would have the problem of that person w/o a doubt inheriting 50% non-Caucasoid genes. Two heterozygous corsses on the other hand could go 100% in either direction. Likewise, as I said, the product of a heterozygous cross mated with a pure parent could inherit out anywhere from 50% non-Caucasoid genes to 100% Caucasoid genes.

Besides, "1/4 Hawaiin" could be a lot of things, mostly likely a very diluted native. That's like the worst example you could have picked.

[kampilan]

seizure said:

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Besides, "1/4 Hawaiin" could be a lot of things, mostly likely a very diluted native. That's like the worst example you could have picked.

Just a question if you don't mind. Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I gather from you is that you don't think that a half southeast asian (malay,indonesia, philippines) half european could look just european ne c'est pas? And corollary to this is that a white mixed with say an arab, indian, mayan or chinese would usually look more white than somebody of the aforementioned heritage?

[asdf]

What does "Arab" even mean? I was talking proper races here--hence "Caucasoid".

What I'm saying is, as far as I know, no Europid/Caucasoid + entirely non-Europid 50/50 cross will result in an individual offspring which will not be at least superfically out of Europid range.

Now, the whole Australoid-Mongoloid clinal region Indonesia's a part of seems to produce fairly Europoid individuals (Maoris, for example)... but can what I said happen? I don't think the IMDB biography on the guy who played Zack Morris really answers anything.

I don't see how it's a logical assumption to think I was saying a European + Northeast Asian cross would look more Caucasoid than the 'aforementioned'--quite the opposite actually.

As for Arabs: there is no clear line between "Arabs' and the rest of Caucasians. And put aside "white". I don't even know what meaning that has in this context. To clarify: "Native" Hawaiians are usally everything but "native". Most are very mixed and don't retain most of their original genetics. So they're a bad example.

[gelaye]

anyone know why fillipinos have a tendancy to have moles? enrique has a large mole but alot of fillpinas i see have moles on their face while other mongoloids tend to have very few.....I thought this was becasue of caucasian admixture but obviously not - the only other asian population I have noticed to have moles (not freckles, i mean isolated moles) are the japanese, but i havent seen that many)

[ivyleak]

gelaye said:

anyone know why fillipinos have a tendancy to have moles? enrique has a large mole but alot of fillpinas i see have moles on their face while other mongoloids tend to have very few.....I thought this was becasue of caucasian admixture but obviously not - the only other asian population I have noticed to have moles (not freckles, i mean isolated moles) are the japanese, but i havent seen that many)

Aren't south Asians more related to Caucasians even without reason admixture. Many also have muscular physiques and coarser thicker hair like caucasians.

[anodyne]

kampilan said:

anodyne said:

Joe Santiago - guitarist of The Pixies. He comes from one of the wealthiest families of the Philippines. He's obviously mixed with Spanish.

Though, it's more common for a Philippino to be mixed with Chinese than Spanish, but even that mixture isn't very common. Chinese/Philippino mixed can also be found among the elite of that nation but play second fiddle to Spanish/philippino mix.

Santiago does appear more Asian as he's gotten older.

He is does not look mestizo and will not be known as such. Santiago is a common surname in Phils so I don't know about being one of the wealthiest families. Some of the wealthiest families are the Ayala, Soriano, Elizalde, Mondragon, Echeverria, Barreto, Escudero, Cunnanan, Araneta etc etc. They are known even to me who have left the Phils when I was younger. My parents generation would know. The new lead of INXS is Filipino and I believe he is a mestizo I think his name is Mig Ayesa. If you are into rock maybe this info is of interest. Van Halen bros are half indonesian and Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam I think is half Filipino. Most people don't know. Liz Masakayan (pinoy father, white mother) is pro beach volleball player for US.

You don't think he looks mixed in that first pic? Then I guess we disagree.

His family had belonged to one of the wealthiest in the Philippines. I'm a huge Pixie's fan and have never read anything that contradicts the information I've presented.

Here's a photo of the band:



I can't see how you can say this guy doesn't look mixed.

[aroundtheworld]

kampilan said:

aroundtheworld said:

kampilan, I'm guessing you are referring to me as saying false things about Philippines. Well news flash: It's my homeland and maybe my perceptions are different than yours-nothing more.

I grew up around people claiming Spanish blood when they are black and short and negrito in appearance. maybe your grew up around proud Pinoys or something but my experiences were a little different and made me slightly embarassed and ashamed a their behaviors.

Look I don't want to fight with you. I just got slightly irritated about what you said about Filipinos. It is something that people who don't know anything would say. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. So peace yeah

BTW where are you (or your family) from in Phils to be surrounded by negrito looking people? They are rare in Phils and usually live in mountainous areas or forested areas. I don't know anybody who have seen them personally even though they live in the same province because they rarely talk to outsiders. There are 7 million Filipinos overseas and I can confidently say that the number of pure negritos among them can be counted in one hand.
There maybe more but those that are heavily mixed don't look negrito. Also Pinoys don't call them negrito but something else do you happen to know what that is?

Using the term Negrito is a roundabout way of referring to the darker more ethnic pinoys like Ernie Reyes,Jr. when he was younger but with darker skin.

My mom has family near Subic Bay and Metro Manila and my father's side(where I was born) is in Davao City.

There was a huge amount of Pakistan/malay/Indian and Muslims there-so much that when I saw average Luzon person I thought they were from different country.

Lots of darker Negrito-types in Davao who are short and always want to be 'spanish". Some of them coverted to Islam and claim Middle Eastern blood which I guess would make them whtier.

[aroundtheworld]

gelaye said:

anyone know why fillipinos have a tendancy to have moles? enrique has a large mole but alot of fillpinas i see have moles on their face while other mongoloids tend to have very few.....I thought this was becasue of caucasian admixture but obviously not - the only other asian population I have noticed to have moles (not freckles, i mean isolated moles) are the japanese, but i havent seen that many)

Yes. Filipinos and some Amerindians get moles-ALOT. My mother has them and I am getting them now. I have cousins with them all ove rtheir neck and around the nose..some pretty and small and some large ugly moles. it's strange...

[vgambler33]

Their was a few thousand Dutch born in Indonesia back in the 1940's. They emmigrated to Holland after Indonesia gained it's independence.

[aroundtheworld]

vgambler33 said:

Their was a few thousand Dutch born in Indonesia back in the 1940's. They emmigrated to Holland after Indonesia gained it's independence.

Quite a few Germans around philippines as well.

[kampilan]

seizure said:

What does "Arab" even mean? I was talking proper races here--hence "Caucasoid".

What I'm saying is, as far as I know, no Europid/Caucasoid + entirely non-Europid 50/50 cross will result in an individual offspring which will not be at least superfically out of Europid range.

Righto! I disagree but I can see where you are coming from. Cheers mate

[kampilan]

anodyne said:

You don't think he looks mixed in that first pic? Then I guess we disagree.

That's cool mate. I can tell from the comments made and from the ignorant post that started this topic that most if not all don't know anything about Phils or Filipinos because people keep using what they know about other ethnic groups as a point of reference in regards to southeast asians. I can't blame you though 'coz even some Pinoys don't either. Anyway enough of the ran't eh, cheers

[anodyne]

You may be the only person on the planet with a PhD on the Philippines but nothing I have said is incorrect so although you may not "blame me" for my "ignorance" I have to say that you have failed to prove me wrong. Joe Santiago's background isn't a mystery in case you ever want to check it out.

[kampilan]

aroundtheworld said:

Using the term Negrito is a roundabout way of referring to the darker more ethnic pinoys like Ernie Reyes,Jr. when he was younger but with darker skin.

My mom has family near Subic Bay and Metro Manila and my father's side(where I was born) is in Davao City.

There was a huge amount of Pakistan/malay/Indian and Muslims there-so much that when I saw average Luzon person I thought they were from different country.

Lots of darker Negrito-types in Davao who are short and always want to be 'spanish". Some of them coverted to Islam and claim Middle Eastern blood which I guess would make them whtier.

No, negrito is a specific term that refers to a particular group of people it is not used in general for people who are dark and ethnic. What do you mean by 'more ethnic pinoys'? All Filipinos are 'ethnic', no particular look makes someone look more 'ethnic'. To say somebody is 'ethnic looking' is relative and you reserve it's use usually for other people not your own group so I don't know why you would call Ernie Reyes Jr ethnic, to Filipinos he looks Pinoy not 'ethnic'. So for example to me all non european descent look ethnic except for people who look like us, such as malays, indonesians, pacific islanders, thais burmese etc etc. It is a function of familiarity.

You dodged my question. I asked you what Filipinos call people referred to as 'negritos'. Because no Filipino calls them that. Maybe you can ask your mother or father?

BTW Davao is known for having the largest Japanese enclave in Phils. It is also a Christian city. Mindanao where Davao is located has very little or no 'negritos' at all. From what I know most 'negritos' are in Luzon and some isolated groups in the Visayas. I have never heard of negritos in Mindanao. Mindanao is a majority Christian island despite what you may think based on the news about muslim insurgents. The area with the most muslims is the capital city, Manila. So I have no idea why if you grew up in Davao you would think you are in another country when you go to Manila. Manila has more none Christians than Davao.

Another point is that most muslims in Phils are arabs from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf. Very few Pakistanis. There are more lebanese and iranians but most if not all of them are christians. People don't claim descent from them unless they are descended from them not because it will make them 'whiter'. Middle easterners are not considered 'white' in southeast asia.

Filipinos are 'malays' so how can having a lot of 'malays' in Davao make you think you are in another country when you go to Luzon. Luzon and especially Manila has the largest amount of Indians in Phils. Most of the Indians in Phils are not muslims but sikhs and some are quite fair.

Davao has a lot of illegal immigrants from Indonesia and Malaysia as well as some Micronesians. These people look like the average Filipino so they are not seen as foreigners. Most foreigners live in Manila whether they be indians, arabs, chinese or mexicans. All these people have a long history in Phils and in southeast asia. They are considered foreigners but they are not unusual. In other words people don't gawk at them when they see them even in remote villages and mountain areas. They are that common and are everywhere.

How can you not know this? You say your mom is from Subic bay. You do know that there are a lot of 'negritos' there don't you? Some were relocated there after the mount Pinatubo eruption. However the mountain areas near there are also their traditonal lands. Sa tingin ko ay dihin ka noypi. Di ko nlang sbhin s knla bka mapahiya kpa eh no. Oks lng pero wg kna lng sana mgcnungaling tungkol sa pinas ha?