Any studies of the Philippines & Spanish gene mix?

[jam]

Or maybe some sort of Negrito, I don't know, does anyone know of any dna studies?
More examples:




Old photo, curly hair:

(although the site it's from is suspect, I've seen that type)
A guy:


UH such HUGE round eyes
_{(I changed that last pic, cause the ones on it could actually be Chinese)}

ps. don't tell me, that they're all just chinese

[aroundtheworld]

kampilan said:

aroundtheworld said:

kampilan, you and I both know that Flips feel proud to say they are part Spanish or that they have a Mestiza parent or Grandparent. Even having a chino relative is something to brag about.

You are not Filipino are you? You are very ignorant about Filipinos and you even use words that Filipinos dont use. If you are Filipino then you must have been born overseas and grew up there, possibly the US? But even then you can't possibly be this ignorant about your culture because you can just ask your family memebers about these things.

And a Filipino would not let others insult them and then agree. The insult I am referring to is not what others here would assume and I have a hunch that you would not know it either. If you are Filipino you should know.

kampilan there are so many insults being slung around here that I have to let many of them go. I use the term Flip in a humorous manner. Ok then I'll say Pinoy if that makes you feel better. I don't think I'm ignorant about a culture that I see constantly think it's ok to promote "mailorderbridesim" with women begging Anglo men to rescue them and having parents think it's ok to love a light-coloured daughter more than a dark one. Philippines has a big problem within itself and I'm not ashamed to admit it. There are probably over 100 message boards dedicated to people wanting whatever magic Michael jackson used to whiten himself. If Filipinos were so proud of their culture they would not continue to whitewash it.

[jam]

My uncle met his Filipino wife in Denmark, and after a while, they went to the Philippines to live, so he followed her - maybe she rescued him

[tonynatuzzi]

They refer to Daly City,California as "Little Manilla" because percentage wise Daly City is the most Filipino city in America.

[kampilan]

jam said:

kampilan said:

Some of them do have at least a little epicanthus, even if it's much less developed than more northwestern asian people. Just because the eyes are rounder, doesn't mean they're completely without epicanthus:
And I don't believe that the majority of filipinos are australoid, even if they're part australoid.
To me, they look exactly like a Chinese/Melanesian mix, nothing else, except some are truly a fairly recent european/filipino mix, even if it's a small minority.

In Philippines foreigners can tell the Filipinos of from chinese, indian, arab and to a lesser extent mexicans in the country. This is true for Malaysia and Indonesia as well as Brunei and to a lesser extent in Thailand and Burma as well as Cambodia and Laos. The only country that is always considered the exception to the rule in southeast asia is Vietnam. If these people can do that then it must mean that we look different enough not to be mistaken for them or a mix that includes them. Hence whatever epicanthus you see is the same as what average non oriental people will have i e insignificant.

Of the pics you showed the little girl and the guy are both unmistakably of the malay-polynesian race. the group photo with the three women all are Filipino and are within the variations that exists in Filipinos. However the portrait you showed of a woman, she will be called and teased (good naturedly) chinita in Philippines and the guy (last pic) is definitely chinese or at half chinese.

Lastly malays are not a mix of mongoloids and australoids. We are 'australoid' that is what is taught in universities. I mean that we are as much a mixture of people as indians, chinese, arabs and mexicans are. Nobody is pure and therefore it is arbitrary to use certain populations as the standard and judge everybody else that do not fit these extreme as mixtures which is what the tripartite racial classification does. There were poeple in southeast asia before there were anybody in west,east,south asia and the americas. So how can we be a mix and not them? Malay-polynesians are largely of indigenous descent and whatever foreign blood we have is not more greater than what chinese, mexicans, indians and arabs have. Having said that we are more related to melanesians than to chinese, mexicans, indians and arabs especially by culture.

Even so there will be filipinos that are within the natural variation that can also fit in the variation of other groups and vice versa. Some are undoutedly due to admixture while others are immigrants from those countries.

If you really want to know ask your aunt or better yet go to Philippines. Its going to be great there because it's Christmas

[kampilan]

aroundtheworld said:

kampilan said:

kampilan there are so many insults being slung around here that I have to let many of them go. I use the term Flip in a humorous manner. Ok then I'll say Pinoy if that makes you feel better. I don't think I'm ignorant about a culture that I see constantly think it's ok to promote "mailorderbridesim" with women begging Anglo men to rescue them and having parents think it's ok to love a light-coloured daughter more than a dark one. Philippines has a big problem within itself and I'm not ashamed to admit it. There are probably over 100 message boards dedicated to people wanting whatever magic Michael jackson used to whiten himself. If Filipinos were so proud of their culture they would not continue to whitewash it.

As I thought, you did not get what I meant which makes me doubt whether you are really Filipino. I was not insulted by the term flip. I also do not take umbrage to the fact that people are saying that we are not mestizo and have little or no european admixture. However as I alluded to earlier, I knew that this is what people in these kinds of fora would assume.

Just in the off chance that you are actually Pinay and not know anything about your own people beacause you were born overseas and have never even taken a holiday in the Phils, take a holiday, ask your relatives and talk to other Pinoys okay. You wont find Filipinos in racial forums, actually you won't find any southeast asian (except vietnamese) and pacific islanders in these kind of forums. There is a dearth of malayo-polynesians in such messageboards like stormfront where every non-african and non-european are represented trying to convince others that they are close to europeans and further from blacks. We are the very last people to whitewash 'ourselves'. In fact some young Filipinos in the US like to say the we are the black asians don't you know Now would you ever hear west,east,south asians and south and central americans saying this? The very fact that you are here gives me pause.

Just to inform you Filipinos are not proud of mail order brides. Why sould you think so if you are Filipino and a Pinay at that. Especially knowing how others view such women. Mail order brides are illegal in Philippines didn't you know because it is considered trafficking. For this reason most if not all of the mail order bride firms are actually started and operated by foreigners usually male. This is a well known fact. Having said that Filipinos are also not ashamed of Pinays who can be said to be mail order brides. Foreign men are the ones who go to the Philippines to get a wife, it's not the other way around. You make it sound as if Pinays are the one exploiting the men These Pinays get married to such men to help their family in the hope that when they are overseas they can get a job and hopefully send some money to their relatives back home. Even so, these women try to make the best of the situation and actually try to learn to care for and love their husbands. This is because we are a romantic people and believe that you only get married for love and you only marry once (due to catholicism). This also helps to put a good 'face' to the situation by showing some delicadesa and thus not be seen as just an opportunist. The couples are usually quite happy. This is why Pinays are the most popular so called mail order brides because they are seen as loyal and honest and not just an opportunist. How they can be called mail order bride is beyond me if foreign men are the ones who go to Philippines and thus not get their wives through the mail. These men are not only westerners, there are men from all over the world (mostly from all parts of asia and latin america) that go to Phils to get a wife.

Suffice to say that at this point I very much doubt you are a Pinay especially after that crack you made about mail order brides and whitewashing. And Pinays do not go around wondering what Michael Jackson used to whiten himself because for those that want to lighten themselves they have something better. If you were Pinay you would know this.

And lastly as for us being proud or not, the way you framed the concept is alien to our culture and values. The way a chinese, indian, mexican or arab is proud of their culture is not the same way malay-polynesians are proud of theirs. We have a different concept of what it is to be proud and how we show it. Our culture and values are diametrically opposite theirs. In the things that truly matter we are very very different from them. They have more in common with each other than any of them have to us. Our differences are so vast that europeans and africans have more in common with each other than either the east,south,west asians and latin amercians have to us. Hence the fact that we do not like being called a mix of any of these people not for the reasons that many here have assumed which you did as well.

[vgambler33]

I bElieve Aroundtheworld is not filipina but Polynesian.

[attis]

Every Filipino I have met claims to be half Spanish. Although one Filipino lady I knew who was very dark and looked 100% Filipino, her daughter who is half White American looks 100% white. She has very light skin and 100% European features, so go figure I guess. All of us half asians were so jealous of her....LOL

[jam]

So you claim that there's only one true Filipino race?
Why are Philipine "Malay" types not Filipinos?
I've always read that the Philipines were a multi ethnic area

I may understand you wrong, but you sound like a Filipino version of a Nordicist? Filipinoist?

[merxa]

jam said:

I may understand you wrong, but you sound like a Filipino version of a Nordicist? Filipinoist?

I think the correct term is Austocentric. Kampilan, I’m just pulling your leg, Filipinos are awesome.

[jam]

Yes, they are.
And I haven't had any contact with my aunt for a long time, so I can't just ask her

[aroundtheworld]

It's called Pinoycentrism.

[kampilan]

aroundtheworld said:

It's called Pinoycentrism.

There is no such thing as pinoycentrism. Filipinos can be as parochial and nationalistic as anybody else but we are not ethnocentric. It goes against our most cherished values. It just would not happen because we don't conceptualise the world in a way which would lead to ethnocentric attitudes. To be ethnocentric is to be rude, impractical and ridiculous. Filipinos are very much a 'down to earth' people for that. If you are ethnocentric you are not Filipino.

[kampilan]

attis said:

Every Filipino I have met claims to be half Spanish.

::)No Filipino claims they are half spanish unless they really are. Perhaps you meant something else.

[kampilan]

jam said:

So you claim that there's only one true Filipino race?
Why are Philipine "Malay" types not Filipinos?
I've always read that the Philipines were a multi ethnic area

I may understand you wrong, but you sound like a Filipino version of a Nordicist? Filipinoist?

I don't think you understood me so obviously I was not able to convey my thoughts very well. I apologise
There is only one true Filipino people. These are people who were born, are citizens and acknowledge that they are Filipino. Malays refer to a specific ethnic group in peninsular Malaysia. However 'malay' refers to a group of people closely related by blood, culture, history, language and values. These 'malays' include Filipinos, Malaysians, Indonesians and Bruneians as well as some austronesian speaking people in southern Burma and Thailand as well as the Chams of Cambodia and southern Vietnam. Together with Pacific Isalnders and Malagasy they are referred to as malay-polynesians. Philippines like Indonesia and Malaysia are composed of different 'malay' ethnic groups which form the overwhelming majority of these countries especially for Philippines. According to the government and based on my own experience (labeit limited ;D) from living in the Philippines 95% of Filipinos can be said to be of 'malay' 'race'. The remaining 5% however includes people who are part Filipino and some full blooded Filipinos who where adopted by immigrants and thus counted under their nationality so in fact the percentage of 'malays' are much higher than 95%.

You must understand that Philippines do not list people under racial categories. Foreign immigrants are listed under their original nationality if they still are not citizen or if they acnowledge that they are of that nationality to the census taker or based on their surnames.

So in a sense Philippines is a multiethnic country, all if not most countries in the world are including Japan and Korea which are often touted as epitome of homogeneity.

I am anot ehtnocentric and I take offense to being called one . I have no idea what gave you that impression. Perhaps this is the first time people here have actually conversed with a Filipino. The confusion for people lies in the fact that 'malays' are a very open people and hence readily acknowledge being influenced or mixing with people. For instance southeast asia was and is a hsitoric crossroads of people from the earliest times hence there are a lot of immigrants, sojourners and foreign workers. Therefore if you ask a filipino, malaysians and indonesian or any southeast asian for that matter if their country is mixed they will say yes eventhough there are very few foreigners. This is because we have an inclusive society so even strangers are seen as part of that society. If you asked them if they are mixed (by blood) the will take this to literaly mean that you are asking if their is any possibility that they have a non indigenous ancestor. For historic reasons this is very probable hence some would say yes. But they do not mean it in the way people in this board and in the US in general means it. This is because acknowledging all of who you are is important as it shows respect hence the phenomenon of multiple ethnicity in Hawaii.
However most if not all just say Filipino, malaysian and indonesian. Only if you ask them if they are mix would they say they are mixed. As for Filipinos born in the US some say they are Filipino, etc. etc this is due to ignorance and misinformed. Their parents are to be blamed for not explaining it better hence they get info from outside sources which are usually wrong. Thus when they read that in Philippines there are the natives (Filipinos) and chinese, spanish, indians, arabs, mexicans, americans, british, dutch,french, italians etc etc they think that they are Filipino but mixed with all this which is possible but most likely not. The point is that they do this oput of ignorance not because they have identity crisis . Also some do this to look cool because being mixed is cool. Note being mixed is what is cool hence they think Filipinos are cool because we are a mix. Thus they are actually proud of being Filipino. The conversation will go like this in the US:
friend " what are you (as in nationality/ethnicity)?"
Pinoy/Pinay " I'm Filipino"
friend " uhh, your name and surname doesn't sound ethnic"
Pinoy/Pinay confused, will think - yeah we are categorised as asians (meaning in the US chinese 'coz in the US people are ignorant hence they think all people fit into three categories white,black and chinese and so do not know that asians can also mean 'malay') but we don look like them so maybe we are mixed hence the surname and so will answer "Filipinos are mixed with spanish" which can be true but for most probably not.