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Post by galton on Oct 4, 2005 14:50:16 GMT -5
This is what I thought. But why would blacks who look West African not show the same disposition? -Blacks want to assimilate more caucasoid features, Whites do not want to acquire negroid features, mulattoes go to the group that will accept them. -Mulattoes often look like native Black Africans, on average they less negroid but people like them are found among native black africans. Whites acquiring negroid features would lead to miscegenation.
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Post by Batrus on Oct 4, 2005 14:52:41 GMT -5
There is already. That's why black americans have so much european blood.
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Post by magneto on Oct 4, 2005 18:53:59 GMT -5
I think white people usually show less disposition to accept mulattos as equals. Maybe a mullato could consider himself white, but i don't think most utterly white people would consider him so. It's different with black americans who consider fairer skin a good looking trait. Or so i've heard. I'm not american. I think they should just consider theselves mulatos. That has nothing to do with it.The reason AfroAmericans and alot of West Indians from places like Jamaica,Trinidad etc accept these people as there equal is because they have people in their family who look this and aren't biracial/never knew their white ancestors(In america they call them rainbow families because of the different shades/looks).As a matter of fact most of the light skinned mixed looking people in America have never known their white ancestors.Another thing is that AA's with old admixture have blurred the lines so you can't tell the difference between actual biracials and monoracial blacks. In America if someone thinks you look "black" that just means you have looks that fit into the AfroAmerican range of looks which could range from Wesley Snipes to Quadroonish/White looking.It's usually pretty easy to tell white americans apart from them. This is what I thought. But why would blacks who look West African not show the same disposition? because of diversity within their own families.They are used to seeing people like that already who have 2 Black parents.A west african looking AA could have a sibling that looks white while have the same black parents.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Oct 4, 2005 19:03:47 GMT -5
So, in reality the old "Colored" label would be more accurate to describe African Americans than other historical terms like "black" or "Negro" as these terms are better used to describe purer peoples from sub-Saharan Africa.
Of course "black" isn't considered inflammatory so that's why it is still in use. However give it a few years and I'm sure it'll be considered racist, too.
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Post by Power Cosmic on Oct 4, 2005 22:40:06 GMT -5
So, in reality the old "Colored" label would be more accurate to describe African Americans than other historical terms like "black" or "Negro" as these terms are better used to describe purer peoples from sub-Saharan Africa. Of course "black" isn't considered inflammatory so that's why it is still in use. However give it a few years and I'm sure it'll be considered racist, too. In America blacks used to go by the name Colored, however, coloured in the sub-Saharan South African sense is a whole different thing and carries a whole different history. Couloureds in South Africa were considered a separate caste from South Africa's blacks, but in America they were considered as black altogether. In my family we have light-skinned as well as "Dougla" looking people and none have any recent European or East Indian ancestry from a mother or father.
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Post by Hairless on Oct 5, 2005 8:19:37 GMT -5
What does that mean, exactly? Black is all of a sudden now more of a cultural label than a racial one? Does that mean that whiteys like me can be socially black, too? One of the people reporting their AncestrybyDNA results discovered that, although she thought her father was black he was actually Middle Eastern. Further tests revealed a Syrian origin iirc. So both she and the father were pretty shocked, but since their cultural identity had always been "black" learning of his ancestral origin did not really change things. Simialrly, a person who is 80% caucasian might very well consider themselves, and be considred by others, black. There are many light-skinned mulattos who are culturally so.
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Post by Melani2333 on Oct 6, 2005 12:11:40 GMT -5
According to sampled comparison study of nucleotide polymorphisms, European-americans it would seem, are a genetic subset of their African-american counterparts. What is interesting about the study is that african-americans are primarily of west african descent, not east-african, which is traditionally registered as the hot bed of human genetic diversity. www.chip.org/board/read.cgi?bid=1&aid=43&p=2 Interesting. Discuss. Ofcourse I expect it will be in the predictable dodona fashion and repsonse, but thats why I like this board. ;D I found this sort of thing interesting. A couple of notions come to mind while reading your post. 1) The definition of white in the USA isn't consistent amongst different circles of our society. Also, the category of the white racial label is arbitrary at times. Meaning that someone with about 1/8 negroid and 7/8 caucasian can claim to be white on census related materials and documents without question. Other nonwhites, whether by choice or not, are declared white by some government entities in some countries. 2) I don't profess to be an expert at genetic studies or something of the kind, but it seems such studies regardless of motivation or intent can be parsed in any manner suitable to a particular point or occasion, such as blurring the lines of established racial lines of categories. Chimps are probably closest related to humans outside the human species currently and nobody would mistake a human for a chimp or vice versa. I would imagine that a truely european descended american wouldn't be mistaken for a negro american, a mulatto american, or even a quadroon american. I realize that someone like Mariah Carey {a supposed quadroon, I believe her to be more octoroon} can be mistaken as just simply european descended by some circles of individuals. I can imagine someone like her simply passing as white in america and I'm sure it has happened in the past in the USA. Wentworth Miller of HUMAN STAIN fame is an octoroon by my estimation. He has very pronounced caucasoid features and very very subtle negroid features if any. Someone like him could pass for white without question. Imagine his results from a genetic studies. If the races of man continue to reside in the same region and society, nature will take its course and more and more mixing will occur. Then years from now, the mariah carey and Wentworth miller types' genetic makeup will further converge with the genetic makeup of the Wesley Snipe types. I think that there are races of man and they are real, but the definitions of white and black keep changing at different times and with different circles of people. Hey, I need to correct a few things you've stated. 1. Mariah Carey is not a quadroon she is a mulatto tri-racial. Her father (deceased) looked like a regular Black American, kinda like Montel Williams, the talk show host. On the scale of Luis Farrakan, Will Smith, etc. Jennifer Beals (actress) is also a fair mullato. Her father (deceased) also looked similar race-wise to Mariah's father - a light-medium brown, but Black featured gentleman. 2. Wentworth Miller, (i.e Human Stain, Prison Break) is also a mullato. His father I'm told is from the Carribean and is medium-dark skinned. These people are American mullatos - that's why they are very fair. African mullatos come out looking like regular Black Americans (i.e Will Smith) and do not have a "mixed-raced look" for the most part (some exceptions). PEOPLE! Black Americans are not a bunch of Africans, even if dark-skinned. I have seen dark skinned American Black men with fair mulatto children with green eyes and sandy Hair. Ex. Look at O.J. Simpson's daughter - she was sandy blonde as a child. Quadroons for the most part (if American) will only have 1, maybe 2 "Black" features. Approximately 50% will look White and 50% will look mixed-race Black. I have seen many examples. Octoroons look 100% Caucasian -you would never be able to tell, baring a genetics test. I have met several White Americans who have told me their grandma was Black or great-grandma, etc. You cannot tell by looking at them. They can be lily white, blonde/blue as well..and have recent (grandma) Black American ancestry..... Most American quadroons will not look like Mariah, Wentworth, Beals, etc. They will look more like White Americans, but with something "off" about them..... Google Soledad O'Brien, Cuban mullato news anchor formerly with NBC, now with CNN. Her 4 children are all Quadroons. So is actor/director Clint Eastword's 7 year old daughter by his mullato wife.
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Post by Oldbrit on Oct 7, 2005 4:40:30 GMT -5
So, in reality the old "Colored" label would be more accurate to describe African Americans than other historical terms like "black" or "Negro" as these terms are better used to describe purer peoples from sub-Saharan Africa. Of course "black" isn't considered inflammatory so that's why it is still in use. However give it a few years and I'm sure it'll be considered racist, too. In America blacks used to go by the name Colored, however, coloured in the sub-Saharan South African sense is a whole different thing and carries a whole different history. Couloureds in South Africa were considered a separate caste from South Africa's blacks, but in America they were considered as black altogether. In my family we have light-skinned as well as "Dougla" looking people and none have any recent European or East Indian ancestry from a mother or father. Coloured in South Africa wasn't used for Black/euro crosses. The Afrikaans word is Boesjman (bushman) that is Khoisan. When the euros were first settling the cape the Bantus were only beginning their invasion. The Dutch saved the the Khoi from being hunted to extinction by the Zulus. However in Botswana the final solution is well under way as the bushmen's hunting grounds have been confiscated by the Bantu government and their way of life outlawed.
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Post by magneto on Oct 7, 2005 19:57:02 GMT -5
-Mulattoes often look like native Black Africans, on average they less negroid but people like them are found among native black africans. The only Africans I've seen that look like mulattos is some mixed mulattoish/quad looking North Africans and some of those mixed Touaregs.
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Post by Igu on Oct 7, 2005 20:07:20 GMT -5
-Mulattoes often look like native Black Africans, on average they less negroid but people like them are found among native black africans. The only Africans I've seen that look like mulattos is some mixed mulattoish/quad looking North Africans and some of those mixed Touaregs. I am not speaking about the people who have 25-30% negroid, I am speaking about first generation mulatto. i know a couple, one of the parents is Afrikans, the other is black (very unusual), the kids look 100% black.
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Post by magneto on Oct 8, 2005 7:31:55 GMT -5
I am not speaking about the people who have 25-30% negroid, I am speaking about first generation mulatto. i know a couple, one of the parents is Afrikans, the other is black (very unusual), the kids look 100% black. That can happen but most look like "true mualttos".Just a little sample of some famous West African/White mulattos
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Post by australoserbicus on Oct 10, 2005 10:10:30 GMT -5
i dunno about that... i can still see countless white teens trying to be black.
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Post by penetratorx on Oct 10, 2005 10:46:18 GMT -5
PEOPLE! Black Americans are not a bunch of Africans, even if dark-skinned. I have seen dark skinned American Black men with fair mulatto children with green eyes and sandy Hair. Ex. Look at O.J. Simpson's daughter - she was sandy blonde as a child. Sorry to quote you but oj simpson is what I would call a lightskinned african american, he looks possitively mulatto to me. Wesley Snipes who was previously mentioned would be a dark skinned african american in my opinion In certain parts of the Carribean oj simpson would be described as 'half caste' which is a term that is now considered racist in Britain but is still in use in some of our ex colonys that have populatons that are mostly of Negro descent.
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Post by Melani2333 on Oct 11, 2005 10:35:11 GMT -5
PEOPLE! Black Americans are not a bunch of Africans, even if dark-skinned. I have seen dark skinned American Black men with fair mulatto children with green eyes and sandy Hair. Ex. Look at O.J. Simpson's daughter - she was sandy blonde as a child. Sorry to quote you but oj simpson is what I would call a lightskinned african american, he looks possitively mulatto to me. Wesley Snipes who was previously mentioned would be a dark skinned african american in my opinion In certain parts of the Carribean oj simpson would be described as 'half caste' which is a term that is now considered racist in Britain but is still in use in some of our ex colonys that have populatons that are mostly of Negro descent. Hi! That's fine. Quote away. Anyways..... OJ Simpson is definatly not considered "mullato" in America. he looks like he is a regular Black with some minor NA admixture to me. The child on Soledad's lap is her eldest daughter, a quadrooon.
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Post by asdf on Oct 12, 2005 3:21:34 GMT -5
No one claimed he would be. But he happens to have signifigant white admixture along with that minior NA, as is the typical "AA".
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