Classify these Spaniards

[asdf]

This coming from you, a Galician with an essentially Nordid father. The Visigoths were numberous and many anthropologists--Coon and many Spaniards--thought the Nordid impact was important to mention, as it was in northern Portugal and northern Italy.

[anodyne]

seizure said:

This coming from you, a Galician with an essentially Nordid father. The Visigoths were numberous and many anthropologists--Coon and many Spaniards--thought the Nordid impact was important to mention, as it was in northern Portugal and northern Italy.

Something like 200 thousand is numerous but not when you consider the size of the population in Iberia. So in proportion to the population of Iberia at that time I'd say it's not numerous. My father is nordid but it's agreed that he's a rare sight. Nor do I think it could be attributed to the Visigoths but rather the Swabians who settled there. Even so, that type is not common at all.

Many Spaniards thought the impact of the Visigoths were strong for ideological reasons. I explained it to a dude in the new dodona under a topic he created about Germanic tribes and royality through out Europe. I've only heard that you can "see" the descendants of modern day Visigoths in Palencia and Vallodolid based on the fact they had communities there before 711, but I doubt this. It contradicts how the region was resettled and the fact that it was considered a no man's land for quite some time. The assumption would be those Visigoths living in that area never left and that doesn't seem likely based on what I already stated.

I'm not familiar with what Coon stated since I don't have any of his books. However, didn't he say there were reduced nordids in Spain but it wasn't common? I may have heard that somewhere else.

[asdf]

Something like 200 thousand is numerous but not when you consider the size of the population in Iberia.

That's not really be honest to what's being said, which is that the influence is localised in areas in the north, not spread out porportionally across the whole Peninsula. 100,000 is now, nothing, of course. But we're talking about century VI. Keeping both these points in mind, you should see it's not some far-fetched fantasy.

Swabian for your father does make as much sense as anything. But the point is Nordid period, at least influence, is far from rare in Spain, and Swabian not the only northern influence in Galicia. I have even southern Iberian relatives looking that way.

Here's what Coon said (which has been hosted online for a while):

From Bronze Age time until the Roman conquest, there were only two known movements which may have affected Spain racially. One was that of the Phoenicians, a continuation of the prehistoric invasions from the eastern Mediterranean; the other was that of the Kelts into the north, to form the mixed nation of Kelto-Iberians known to the Roman& Many of the Kelts, however, also used Spain merely as a stopping place on their wanderings. In post-Roman times Germanic invaders, the Goths and Vandals, brought a second Nordic infusion to the peninsula. but the Vandals soon moved on to Algeria, thence to Carthage, and finally to Byzantium.

This is the typical type summary he gives in many chapters--if they're rare, he either does't mention them, or mentions them with that note, like Alpinids:

Any careful observer acquainted with the Spanish will recognize a number of distinct racial types; the honey-skinned Andalusian, with his medium stature, lithe body, flat temples, and finely modeled nose and chin; the hook-nosed Cappadocian type so well exemplified by General Francisco Franco; the large, sometimes fleshy approach to a brunet Dinaric; the rather small and delicate local variety of Nordic, with exaggerated narrowness of face and nose, pale skin, and golden rather than ashen blondness; and the coarse Mediterranean type found among the peasantry in most of Spain, short of stature, relatively thick-set, with a mesocephalic head form, a short, broad-looking face, and a short, broad, and often concave nose. This last type may, to a large extent, date back to the Mesolithic, with older accretions; it is the most primitive, most submerged element in the Spanish population. Alpines may be found, here and there, among Spaniards, but they are rare; it is their virtual absence which makes Spain a Mediterranean rather than a central European country, in the racial, as well as the geographical, sense.

I'm not trying to exaggerate anything, but Germanic influence isn't ignored, Nordid isn't ignored, and they're not entirely irrelevant.

[rft90]

I´m a Spaniard, I live in Madrid and I see blond blue eyed Spaniards EVERY DAY. And you can see blond Spaniards in any place of Spain, from Cadiz to Cantabria, from Galicia to Cataluña. Even more, there are places in southern Spain that have more nordid Spaniards than in the north of Spain. Nordid features in Spain are much more than the 1% I´ve read some where. I would say it is about 10-15% of the total population of Spain. Even more it is often curious that most of the Spaniards I see that are blond and blue eyed have the tipical "snubbed-piggy" nose that many Scandinavians have. If no one believes it COME TO SPAIN and see it with your own eyes. Even today walking 30 minutes I´ve seen 3 natural redheads: one of them with really ORANGE hair and green eyes. Natural blondes are not rare in Spain; they are quite usual.

[TonyP]

so what! Most of Europe is mixed up - people have been coming and going for centuries so what's the big deal. Personally I would shag any of those Spanish women in the picture - especially the one in the pink top!