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Post by walker on Jan 26, 2006 14:41:51 GMT -5
What's with this << this "walker" >> way of addressing me ? Did I say anything that I shouldn't ? I apologize if I did. I didn't mean to hostilize anyone. I admit I am far from being an expert and I don't really know the right terms or even as much about history as I should. What I do know is that there are three main ethnic admixtures in the portuguese for the last 2000 years: blacks (slavery) , jewish (forced integration) and mourish (long term occupation). I don't have a clue if it is negligible, but I know that it exists nonetheless.
also, this "medhammer" webpages you quote as sources seem quite biased to me. He has been accused of classifying everyone in the world as pure mediterranean, and he really seems to want to prove this point rather than finding scientific proof of anything. His articles about the "march of the giants" , a glorious tale of the med people is far from unbiased.
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 26, 2006 15:01:15 GMT -5
The admixture in the Portuguese gene pool is not relevant as the girl does not show any visible non-Iberian admixture.
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Post by walker on Jan 26, 2006 16:03:58 GMT -5
Sure, admixture is only relevant when it comes to finding caucasoid traces in a beautiful negroid girl ...
I find it difficult to believe that with such significant amount of the population bearing christianized-jew (cristaos-novos) tree names ( Oliveira Pereira, TimTim's portuguese character is an example ) that it doesn't affect the gene pool ... so ... it affected people's family names, but not their genes ? how's that ?
Also, before I revealed her nacionality, she could be anything from "Latin-American-Euromestiza" (quote), "Mongloid-Romenian" (quote2) to "Indian as from India" (quote3) but no-one guessed she would be from portugal ...
After I revealed it , everyone jumps on saying that she is clearly a "pure" (whatever that means) portuguese.
Anyway, where does the portuguese (or iberian) gene pool come from originally ? Phoenicians, Moors, Berbers ? Also, I think I made a mistake.The girl is originally from Viseu, not lisbon.
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Post by ndrthl on Jan 26, 2006 21:08:35 GMT -5
>Moorish Berber and Iberian are the same. >She's southern portuguese, which means she can have a jewish, mourish, berber, negroid, >iberian (and about 20 other races) ancestry. No comments. This map does not tell the whole story. A 'racial profile' is a complex thing, made of a composite (a multitude) of lineages. Only one paternal line does not change a thing. Therefore an Icelandic with an Y Chromossome Haplogroup Q should not be grouped with a Native American who exhibits the same paternal line. The paternal lines can tell more or less about past migrations, give some hints on the composition of people, and many more useful things, but not to determine per se the 'racial profile' of a given population or people. Poles and Swedes who have haplogroup R1a are not the same as those people from India who have haplogroup R1a too.
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 27, 2006 11:25:40 GMT -5
Sure, admixture is only relevant when it comes to finding caucasoid traces in a beautiful negroid girl ... . Your observation is totally irrelevant. Dodonites are free to comment on pictures to the best of their ability. There is no Dodona consensus. You´re relying on cliches and outdated information: namely that tree names are unequivocal signs of converse ancestry. I didn´t see your thread before you revealed she was Portuguese, so I made no guesses. Neither did I say she was pure: I merely said she displayed no visible admixture. Iberia has had continuous human (Sapiens) presence since the paleolithic. A large part of the gene pool is thus indigenous.
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