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Post by Tbilisi on Dec 24, 2003 18:08:27 GMT -5
That's what I would guess, yes. You seem like you'll have a much more prominent nose, no doubt. Do you have photos of your mother and father as well? It would be interesting to compare your features with theirs. No, not now. My scanner is broke for the moment, but I have some pics back at Skadi.. only there unfortunaly. If you wait a couple of days, perhaps a friend of mine can upload the pics on his server.
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Post by Tbilisi on Dec 24, 2003 19:48:48 GMT -5
My ancestry lies in Georgia, Caucasus. Is that by any way visible in my apperance?
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Post by rusalka on Dec 24, 2003 20:03:18 GMT -5
My ancestry lies in Georgia, Caucasus. Is that by any way visible in my apperance? Except for the hat? I'm kidding of course, well, I have a number of Georgian friends and basing it on their appereance, I can't say that you look very Georgian to me except the nose, but then I have never been to Georgia, but have met Georgian people that live elsewhere (namely Turkey, Switzerland and the US) Most Georgians I know have deep set and larger eyes -if that makes any sense . The ones I know are pretty hairy too, don't know that about you. As for the people of the Caucasus, they tend to look very different from each other. Quoting from Dienekes' blog: " the Adyghe, the Circassians, the Abazins, to a lesser extent the Kabardins, partially belong to the Adyghe Caucasian variant of the Pontic type of the Indo-Mediterranean (South-Europaeoid) race; whereas the aboriginal population of the Transcaucasian (South Caucasian) Black Sea coastal area - the Georgians (i.e. the Megrelians, the Gurians, the Adjarians) pertain to the Black sea coastal area variety of the West Asian race." For in depth information you can read the whole article: www.dienekes.com/blog/archives/000409.htmlI am partly Circassian myself on my father's side.
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Post by Melnorme on Dec 24, 2003 20:09:07 GMT -5
I've met many Georgian Jews, but never a Christian one.
Some of them belong to the 'deep set' eyes type that Rusalka describes. Others have more delicate, rounded features and look kind of Ukrainian.
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Post by Tbilisi on Dec 24, 2003 20:13:40 GMT -5
I suppose I "can" look Georgian, but if I went to example Spain, people there would think I'm one of them? Rusalka: My nose? What about it?
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Post by rusalka on Dec 24, 2003 20:21:09 GMT -5
I've met many Georgian Jews, but never a Christian one. Some of them belong to the 'deep set' eyes type that Rusalka describes. Others have more delicate, rounded features and look kind of Ukrainian. I am basing my "stereotypes" on the Christian Georgians I know (or the ones that were converted to Islam by the Ottomans but were Orthodox Christians previously). The Jewish population in Georgia may well have their unique phenotypes still. I'm definitely not an authority on the subject so I was playing safe. There also seems to be a lot of marriages between Georgians and Ukrainians, at least here in the US. They're not so far apart geographically, so it's a possibility that it may be common. For example if the mother is Ukrainian and the father Georgian, the child might identify as Georgian (after the father, as they usually do) but still look like his or her mother. A very close friend of mine here has the exact family situation and he identifies as "Georgian". He's the spitting image of his mom though.
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Post by Tbilisi on Dec 24, 2003 20:23:28 GMT -5
Pictures of my father is coming up some of these days here, I hope. He looked a lot more Georgian that I do.. but, I think I'll look Georgian when I get older, always good to know
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Post by rusalka on Dec 24, 2003 20:23:33 GMT -5
I suppose I "can" look Georgian, but if I went to example Spain, people there would think I'm one of them? Rusalka: My nose? What about it? Nothing's wrong about your nose. It looks Dinaric even now, and it'll probably get even more prominent within a couple of years. Most Georgians I've met had similar noses. Of course, it's not the only type of nose in Georgia, I'm sure, but probably more common.
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Post by Tbilisi on Dec 24, 2003 20:26:33 GMT -5
Somethings in my family that perhaps has " destroyed" the Georgian apperance is the fact that my grandmother(father's side) was Romanian, what race I'm not sure of, she looks Alpine or Pontic.. and on my mother's side we got Finnish things.. not close, of coure, but it's still there..
Edit: correted spelling a bit
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Post by rusalka on Dec 24, 2003 20:29:48 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, where do you live now Tbilisi? In Georgia?
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Post by Tbilisi on Dec 24, 2003 20:32:25 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, where do you live now Tbilisi? In Georgia? Unfortunaly, no. I live in the Communist country of Sweden.. by some reason.. my father came here from Hungary(No, my family isn't Hungarian, it's Georgian with some Romanian, but they came to Hungary from Georgia by some reason..), and my mother is Swedish of Russian family.
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Post by Melnorme on Dec 24, 2003 20:39:09 GMT -5
I am basing my "stereotypes" on the Christian Georgians I know (or the ones that were converted to Islam by the Ottomans but were Orthodox Christians previously). The Jewish population in Georgia may well have their unique phenotypes still. I'm definitely not an authority on the subject so I was playing safe. There also seems to be a lot of marriages between Georgians and Ukrainians, at least here in the US. They're not so far apart geographically, so it's a possibility that it may be common. For example if the mother is Ukrainian and the father Georgian, the child might identify as Georgian (after the father, as they usually do) but still look like his or her mother. A very close friend of mine here has the exact family situation and he identifies as "Georgian". He's the spitting image of his mom though. Description of Georgian Jews by Russian anthropologists : www.eki.ee/books/redbook/georgian_jews.shtml"Anthropologically, they do not differ from the eastern Georgians, who belong to the Armenian type of the Balkano-Caucasian race. In former times they trimmed their hair and beards in a slightly different way to that of the Georgians. They were also more often red-headed. " One can infer from this that Western Georgians are of a somewhat different physical type than Eastern Georgians.
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Post by rusalka on Dec 24, 2003 20:39:42 GMT -5
Unfortunaly, no. I live in the Communist country of Sweden.. by some reason.. my father came here from Hungary(No, my family isn't Hungarian, it's Georgian with some Romanian, but they came to Hungary from Georgia by some reason..), and my mother is Swedish of Russian family. What's wrong with Sweden? I heard it was pretty cool, well, literally as well. Your family history is certainly interesting. They sure wandered around a bit! Mine all ended up in Istanbul (Constantinopolis) which was then the capital of the Empire. They're from Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and the Caucasus.
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Post by Tbilisi on Dec 24, 2003 20:44:14 GMT -5
What's wrong with Sweden? I heard it was pretty cool, well, literally as well. Your family history is certainly interesting. They sure wandered around a bit! Mine all ended up in Istanbul (Constantinopolis) which was then the capital of the Empire. They're from Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and the Caucasus. Sweden is a bad country.. the goverment is ruled by the Communist party and they want Sweden to become the Worker's paradise.. and it's not going wery well.. My family history is quite funny, it started out with my great great grandfather or something, who was an envoy or something from Imperial Russia. The thing was, that he wasn't an ethnic Russian, but a Georgian, and he decided to stay in Budapest, than a part of the Austro-Hungarian empire. His wife joined him, and they created 100 % ethnic Georgians(along them my great grandfather or something like that, I don't know) in Hungary! Hehe.. it's quite speciell.. Edit: Corrected spelling Again..
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Post by rusalka on Dec 24, 2003 20:47:18 GMT -5
One can infer from this that Western Georgians are of a somewhat different physical type than Eastern Georgians. Depending on the date Western Georgia can sometimes encompass what is now Abkhazia too, and they are different from Georgians phenotypically. It was once a part of the Georgian Soviet. In any case, today there's Adjaria in Western Georgia and I'm assuming they might be a different type as well. The second paragraph on this page talks about that a bit: www.apsny.org/home_def.htmlThis is an overview of the area by Professor B. George Hewitt who is a prominent scholar on Northern Caucasus in general and Georgia & Abkhazia in particular: www.apsny.org/home.htmlBoth talk about the population and different ethnic groups of the area.
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