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Post by Agrippa on Sept 21, 2005 15:27:56 GMT -5
I'm 166 cm. How are one suppose to do this measures? I just placed a ruler slightly in front of my face while standing in front of a mirror, measuring "2D" so to speak. Should I use a tape measure instead and place it on my head, bending it when necessary? I think I misunderstood how to measure... It would be best to have the anthropometric instruments, but of course, most people, even myself, dont own them privately. But as an advice, do you have something which can be moved in a stable way and fixed, so if you take it back from the area you measured, that it is still the same, like a compasses - then you can measure the distance with a ruler. For the head a relocatable door or something similar is best, because normal compasses are too small obviously. Dienekes wrote various good advices too... But if you hold the ruler away from the object you want to measure, than the result must be greater than it is, if I would do that I would measure a head length of 23 cm, obviously very unrealistic...  I really dont think your measured right, just imagining you with 166 and a head bigger than mine, would have Neanderthaloid qualities 
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Post by egyptian7 on Sept 21, 2005 15:49:39 GMT -5
hi agrippa i like ur analysis.. can you please anaylze my results cuz i dont understand them... they are on the other page...
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Post by Agrippa on Sept 21, 2005 16:16:11 GMT -5
hi agrippa i like ur analysis.. can you please anaylze my results cuz i dont understand them... they are on the other page... First of all you a female (those which I classified?) I guess, that this was the right calculator for you  It would be nice to read your results, what you measured in mm, because some distances might be quite high, so probably wrong either, though it looks more realistic. If its totally wrong, it seems to be rather too low (opposite of Annunaki), though again, it might be more realistic. If its true it means that you fall into the large category of the bigger and narrow formed (leptomorphic) Europid group, which includes many subraces from taller-bigger boned Mediterranids, over Nordids to Irano-Afghans. The calculator measured certain indices and the distance towards a mathematical model of the METRICAL AND GENERALISED types of Europids like Mediterranoid, Dinaroid, Irano-Nordid, Alpinoid and Proto-Europid.
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Post by egyptian7 on Sept 21, 2005 16:17:50 GMT -5
well my measurements are pretty accurate cuz i did them like 5 time ahhahaha... but um what does it mean about the plates... and irano- ... i am pretty new to all this so...
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Post by Agrippa on Sept 21, 2005 16:28:31 GMT -5
I repeat: If its true it means that you fall into the large category of the bigger and narrow formed (leptomorphic) Europid group, which includes many subraces from taller-bigger boned Mediterranids, over Nordids to Irano-Afghans.
Well, the plates are from Coons work, he had typical examples which fall in the SAME METRICAL category, so they might be of a nother leptomorphic Europid race inside the metrical Irano-Nordoid range, but they are metrical similar. Unfortunately I cant give you the right links, Dienekes can! But if you done them right, you can show me the measurements, then I can say more about it...
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 22, 2005 1:45:12 GMT -5
Thanks for the tips, Agrippa, here are my new results (first measurements in brackets): Measurements:Head length 190 (210) Head breadth 140 (155) Head height 111 (130) Minimum frontal 115 (125) Bizygomatic 130 (132) Bigonial 110 (103) Total facial height 125 (120) Upper facial height 78 (80) Nasal height 55 (57) Nasal breadth 33 (33) Results:Your cephalic index is: 73.7 (dolichocephalic)Your height/length index is: 58.4 (orthocephalic)Your height/breadth index is: 79.3 (metriocephalic)Your facial index is: 96.2 (hyperleptoprosopic)Your upper facial index is: 60 (leptene)Your nasal index is: 60 (leptorrhine)Your estimated endocranial volume is: 1133 cc (oligocephalic)Your estimated brain weight is: 1012 gr-- | Euclidean Distance | Mahalanobis Distance | Cosine Similarity | Proto-Europoid | 16 | 21 | 0.37 | Mediterranoid | 28 | 60 | -0.36 | Alpinoid | 22 | 27 | -0.36 | Irano-Nordoid | 15 | 19 | 0.23 | Dinaroid | 16 | 12 | 0.02 |
Your classification is Irano-Nordoid (using Euclidean distance), Dinaroid (using Mahalanobis distance), and Proto-Europoid (using Cosine similarity).According to Euclidean Distance:You are metrically closest to Plate 16, Figure 3 (distance = 9) You are metrically furthest from Plate 10, Figure 5 (distance = 64) According to Mahalanobis Distance:You are metrically closest to Plate 32, Figure 4 (distance = 4) You are metrically furthest from Plate 10, Figure 5 (distance = 152) According to Cosine Similarity:You are metrically closest to Plate 16, Figure 3 (similarity = 0.66) You are metrically furthest from Plate 37, Figure 4 (similarity = -0.845) ------------------------------------------------------------- Do these results seem more accurate?
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Post by Agrippa on Sept 22, 2005 16:08:16 GMT -5
I cant say if they are accurate, because even mm can be important sometimes and I just cannot know, but this measurements are at least more probable. Going after the similarity results alone, you would be now in the same category as I am, just the female version... Just check the head height again (seems rather low) and the minimum frontal (probably to high), its generally necessary to repeat the measurement-procedure, even with anthropometrical instruments its recommended, but with rather unprecise methods even more so...
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 22, 2005 23:26:25 GMT -5
Okay, thanks for the input, I'll redo the more unsure measurements again.
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Post by Liquid Len on Sept 23, 2005 21:07:20 GMT -5
In measuring the head length the so called external occipital protuberance at the lower end of the occiput should be omitted. In some people (like myself) it sticks quite out and could lead to a too large head length. And in measuring the breadth the same holds for the cheekbone roots. I think the measuring of the head height is by far the most difficult part and even slight differences can change the height-length index considerably. There are contradictory instructions whether one is to measure from the centre of the targi or from their upper edge. And then you should project the height of the vertex, the highest point of the vault in a horizontal plane until it's over the ears in order to measure the distance vertically... Then it's important to note that the face height is measured (simply) in a direct line and not projected to a vertical plane. And the upper end of the face height shouldn't be taken on the upper end of the nose, immediately where it meets the front, but on the suture between the nasal and frontal bones. It's a bit difficult to find on the living, but I think it's possible to guess it approximately and otherwise the face height would be too short. Btw.: Here's a nice page about craniometry: www.lab.anhb.uwa.edu.au/hb311/manual2004/CRANIOMETRYlab.htm
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Post by feldherr on Jan 15, 2006 10:56:28 GMT -5
Is there any website with complete plates with all figures?
Or is there a website with some of them?
Thanks.
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Post by Liquid Len on Jan 18, 2006 15:08:21 GMT -5
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