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Post by Dienekes on Aug 31, 2005 2:14:50 GMT -5
Can now be found at this link. Post your results as a reply if you want to.
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creug
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Post by creug on Sept 2, 2005 22:14:23 GMT -5
How does one get accurate measurments? Best tool? Are they taken straight across or around like ear around to ear?
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Post by Dienekes on Sept 2, 2005 22:19:33 GMT -5
Well, the best tool is calipers, but a sliding door is useful as an approximation. A ruler and a hard surface can be used as well. Just improvise, try to repeat measurements, and use mirrors or the help of other observers if you can, to make sure that measurements are taken "straight". Measurements should also be taken fairly "tight", and you should tie your hair in a knot, or separate it so that its thickness does not inflate the measurement.
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Post by sinosuke on Sept 6, 2005 9:48:10 GMT -5
I measured my sister, here are the results  Your cephalic index is: 73.7 (dolichocephalic) Your height/length index is: 68.4 (hypsicephalic) Your height/breadth index is: 92.9 (acrocephalic) Your facial index is: 91.7 (leptoprosopic) Your upper facial index is: 65 (leptene) Your nasal index is: 60.4 (leptorrhine) Your estimated endocranial volume is: 1308 cc (aristencephalic) Your estimated brain weight is: 1198 gr Euclidean Distance Mahalanobis Distance Cosine Similarity Proto-Europoid: 31 47 -0.02 Mediterranoid: 25 24 0.06 Alpinoid: 25 19 -0.19 Irano-Nordoid: 20 8 0.27 Dinaroid: 26 17 -0.15 Your classification is Irano-Nordoid (using Euclidean distance), Irano-Nordoid (using Mahalanobis distance), and Irano-Nordoid (using Cosine similarity). According to Euclidean Distance: You are metrically closest to Plate 34, Figure 3 (distance = 13) You are metrically furthest from Plate 6, Figure 2 (distance = 64) According to Mahalanobis Distance: You are metrically closest to Plate 16, Figure 3 (distance = 5) You are metrically furthest from Plate 5, Figure 1 (distance = 133) According to Cosine Similarity: You are metrically closest to Plate 34, Figure 3 (similarity = 0.8) You are metrically furthest from Plate 12, Figure 3 (similarity = -0.646) where can i see the plates???
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Post by Dienekes on Sept 8, 2005 20:46:38 GMT -5
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Post by Glenlivet on Sept 14, 2005 12:30:07 GMT -5
Dienekes, can you explain why she is metrically close to both plate 34 and 16? The individuals in those plates are not similar looking.
Can we find out which similarity out of the three is the most relevant one?
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Post by Dienekes on Sept 14, 2005 18:09:00 GMT -5
The individuals in the two plates are metrically similar. Don't confuse metrical similarity with looking the same. People look different because they have different age, color, culture, etc.
As long as the woman who took this test looks narrow-faced, long-headed, narrow-nosed, etc., her classification is fairly accurate, otherwise there is some error in measurement. It should not be expected to see one's twin or brother in those pictures, but more or less a male person who has similar proportions.
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Post by Glenlivet on Sept 14, 2005 19:23:14 GMT -5
He Euclidean Distance is great. Isn't 13 too much? I see what you mean. I do not confuse metrical similarity with culture, nor do I think this test can accurately tell your origin, although it may indicate something. They do not denote "races", like you have written in the lower part of result page. Do you believe in Otto Schlaginaufen and his belief in phenotypes and not sub-races per se? However, what I find strange is that a figure from "The Mediterranean race in Arabia" can be close to a figure in "Nordics altered by Mixture with Southwestern Borreby and Alpine Elements". There are other examples where an individual is placed in plates that are made up of populations which are not closely related. Do you think this has to do with error in measurements, Coon's plates being wrong or the statistical methods used? Maybe you have explained it in the past, and it might also be too complicated, but can you please tell me whether one statistical method is better than another, Euclidean, Mahalanobis or Cosine similarity? I assume that if all statistical probablities are similar, one can also assume that the accuracy is greater. The individuals in the two plates are metrically similar. Don't confuse metrical similarity with looking the same. People look different because they have different age, color, culture, etc. As long as the woman who took this test looks narrow-faced, long-headed, narrow-nosed, etc., her classification is fairly accurate, otherwise there is some error in measurement. It should not be expected to see one's twin or brother in those pictures, but more or less a male person who has similar proportions.
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Post by Lada on Sept 16, 2005 12:21:55 GMT -5
Here are my results (hopefully I got right meassurements  ) Your cephalic index is: 80.3 (mesocephalic) Your height/length index is: 72.7 (hypsicephalic) Your height/breadth index is: 90.5 (acrocephalic) Your facial index is: 83.9 (euryprosopic) Your upper facial index is: 54.7 (mesene) Your nasal index is: 59.3 (leptorrhine) Your estimated endocranial volume is: 1351 cc (aristencephalic) Your estimated brain weight is: 1244 gr Euclidean Distance Mahalanobis Distance Cosine Similarity Proto-Europoid: 19 28 0.1 Mediterranoid: 19 31 -0.1 Alpinoid: 13 8 0.06 Irano-Nordoid: 15 11 -0.09 Dinaroid: 14 9 0.06 Your classification is Alpinoid (using Euclidean distance), Alpinoid (using Mahalanobis distance), and Proto-Europoid (using Cosine similarity). According to Euclidean Distance: You are metrically closest to Plate 13, Figure 1 (distance = 7) You are metrically furthest from Plate 4, Figure 2 (distance = 51) According to Mahalanobis Distance: You are metrically closest to Plate 13, Figure 1 (distance = 3) You are metrically furthest from Plate 10, Figure 5 (distance = 98) According to Cosine Similarity: You are metrically closest to Plate 13, Figure 1 (similarity = 0.66) You are metrically furthest from Plate 14, Figure 2 (similarity = -0.718)
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Post by egyptian7 on Sept 19, 2005 20:19:55 GMT -5
Results of Racial Analysis
Terminology is according to Vallois (1965).Endocranial volume is estimated according to the Lee-Pearson formula (Comas, 1960).Brain weight is estimated according to Welcker's capacity/cranial capacity tables (Baker, 1974)..
Your cephalic index is: 64 (hyperdolichocephalic) Your height/length index is: 64 (hypsicephalic) Your height/breadth index is: 100 (acrocephalic) Your facial index is: 112.3 (hyperleptoprosopic) Your upper facial index is: 61.4 (leptene) Your nasal index is: 50 (hyperleptorrhine) Your estimated endocranial volume is: 1244 cc (euencephalic) Your estimated brain weight is: 1130 gr
Euclidean Distance Mahalanobis Distance Cosine Similarity Proto-Europoid: 53 68 0.05 Mediterranoid: 52 59 -0.02 Alpinoid: 56 55 -0.42 Irano-Nordoid: 40 26 0.41 Dinaroid: 49 39 -0.03
Your classification is Irano-Nordoid (using Euclidean distance), Irano-Nordoid (using Mahalanobis distance), and Irano-Nordoid (using Cosine similarity).
According to Euclidean Distance:
You are metrically closest to Plate 16, Figure 3 (distance = 25) You are metrically furthest from Plate 6, Figure 2 (distance = 93)
According to Mahalanobis Distance: You are metrically closest to Plate 16, Figure 3 (distance = 18) You are metrically furthest from Plate 5, Figure 1 (distance = 153)
According to Cosine Similarity: You are metrically closest to Plate 16, Figure 3 (similarity = 0.88) You are metrically furthest from Plate 14, Figure 3 (similarity = -0.793)
what does all this mean.. hahahha
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 21, 2005 9:53:31 GMT -5
Hmm, okay I hope I got the measurements right, I did them on myself. My results:Your cephalic index is: 73.8 (dolichocephalic)Your height/length index is: 61.9 (orthocephalic)Your height/breadth index is: 83.9 (metriocephalic)Your facial index is: 90.9 (leptoprosopic)Your upper facial index is: 60.6 (leptene)Your nasal index is: 57.9 (leptorrhine)Your estimated endocranial volume is: 1574 cc (aristencephalic)Your estimated brain weight is: 1481 gr-- | Euclidean Distance | Mahalanobis Distance | Cosine Similarity | Proto-Europoid | 26 | 17 | 0.54 | Mediterranoid | 57 | 122 | -0.51 | Alpinoid | 39 | 55 | -0.04 | Irano-Nordoid | 38 | 64 | 0.02 | Dinaroid | 37 | 42 | 0.11 |
Your classification is Proto-Europoid (using Euclidean distance), Proto-Europoid (using Mahalanobis distance), and Proto-Europoid (using Cosine similarity).According to Euclidean Distance: You are metrically closest to Plate 24, Figure 1 (distance = 18) You are metrically furthest from Plate 10, Figure 5 (distance = 91) According to Mahalanobis Distance: You are metrically closest to Plate 24, Figure 1 (distance = 10) You are metrically furthest from Plate 10, Figure 5 (distance = 223) According to Cosine Similarity: You are metrically closest to Plate 24, Figure 1 (similarity = 0.73) You are metrically furthest from Plate 14, Figure 3 (similarity = -0.758)
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Post by Agrippa on Sept 21, 2005 12:59:55 GMT -5
Seems your measurements are too high. You could post your measurement data...I think you measured various things too high...
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 21, 2005 14:46:19 GMT -5
Here are my measurements:
Head length 210 head breadth 155 head height 130 minimum frontal 125 bizygomatic 132 bigonial 103 total facial height 120 upper facial height 80 nasal height 57 nasal breadth 33
What seems too high? I'm unsure of how to measure. I will redo it tomorrow, perhaps the measurements will be more accurate.
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Post by Agrippa on Sept 21, 2005 15:05:02 GMT -5
Here are my measurements: Head length 210 head breadth 155 head height 130 minimum frontal 125 bizygomatic 132 bigonial 103 total facial height 120 upper facial height 80 nasal height 57 nasal breadth 33 What seems too high? I'm unsure of how to measure. I will redo it tomorrow, perhaps the measurements will be more accurate. You know, to put it simple, Proto-Europid comes when your measurements are quite big, even if erroneously. Its interesting that you measured many things more than I do, and your head breadth is like mine, thats not impossible, its just unlikely for a female. I have no small head either, am 189 cm tall, but still I'm below your results which would be much for male, quite a lot for a female. How tall are you btw? Face measurements are more realistic, though again I measure upper facial height the same as you do, but your total facial height is much smaller (120, one of the most realistic results), that would mean you would have almost no chin (max 40 mm). 40 mm wouldnt be that low in general, but compared with a midface/upper facial height of 80 mm... Dont think they are right done... Everything with 194 + is considered (at least in 1960's) very long for a male, just to bring it into a context.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 21, 2005 15:11:22 GMT -5
I'm 166 cm. How are one suppose to do this measures? I just placed a ruler slightly in front of my face while standing in front of a mirror, measuring "2D" so to speak. Should I use a tape measure instead and place it on my head, bending it when necessary? I think I misunderstood how to measure...
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