Bunch of girls

[Lada]

They look like the same phenotype to me. How would you classify them?

[henerte]

There's no way they have the same phenotype. Compare their noses (european ones have narrower), eyes (no fold in europeans), head shape (oval, long, narrow versus very broad).

[Polako]

WTF???

Lada, you think the Asian girls there are the same phenotype as the European ones?

[Lada]

polako said:

WTF???

Lada, you think the Asian girls there are the same phenotype as the European ones?

henerte said:

There's no way they have the same phenotype. Compare their noses (european ones have narrower), eyes (no fold in europeans), head shape (oval, long, narrow versus very broad).

Yes, The last girl looks different like first 4 because she is more chubby, but just let you know, all these girls are Slovaks, from my hometown and the last one was my class mate. You can be sure, they are not Asians!

[wk2001]

Is this girl a Slovak too?:

She really does look East Asian, not even mixed, I' ve seen people who are fully Asian and look like they could be her sister.

[pierolapithecus]

wk2001 said:

Is this girl a Slovak too?:

She really does look East Asian, not even mixed, I' ve seen people who are fully Asian and look like they could be her sister.

This girl has clearly Mongoloid features. First I think she's an Euroasian type (perhaps a mix of British and Chinese from Hong-Kong).
It's obvious that this girl has Mongoloid genes in her background.

[Platypus]

She looks mongoloid to me, and if she is Slovakian she is working out ( ;D) to look as East Asian as possible...(the make up! and Hair and most of all the hair partly dyed red like so many Chinese girls..!?!)
look also at the size of her head in comparison with the shoulders, like in many East Asians.
The chin and possibly the mouth could be less typical.

The other girls seem a mix of Mediterranean and Neo Danubian in different proportions.

All girls seem to be all united by the same straight (apparently coarse ) Coal black hair? (if it is natural).
During a brief visit to Slovakia I remember seeing many more distinct types than i initially expected...(therefore more than Baltic and Dinarics)

[Platypus]

lada said:

Not much attention has been given to the last Girl. besides the eyes she could pass for Italian well. I would suggest then a mix of Mediterranean and Alpine with the Alpine element bearing a Turanid/Mongoloid presence similarly found in the magyar types of Hungary as well as further east.

[jam]

pierolapithecus said:

wk2001 said:

Is this girl a Slovak too?:

She really does look East Asian, not even mixed, I' ve seen people who are fully Asian and look like they could be her sister.

This girl has clearly Mongoloid features. First I think she's an Euroasian type (perhaps a mix of British and Chinese from Hong-Kong).
It's obvious that this girl has Mongoloid genes in her background.

Maybe it's the pic, but even her nose look asian, it's certainly broader than the others.

[pierolapithecus]

Asian lineages were much more prevalent than sub-Saharan lineages, detected even in the Southern and Western groups, mainly because Mongoloids entered Europe as migrants long ago, while Negroids came only recently as slaves and thus in smaller numbers with less access to natives for intermarriage. Northeastern Europe was by far most affected by the Asian ancestry, which is correlated with Finno-Ugrian migrations from the Arctic and Siberia occurring c. 4000 years ago, and possibly also with later invasions. Indeed, it comprises a principal component of genetic variation in Europe.

NATIONALITY ADMIXTURE
Lapps 47.4%
Finns 30.0%
Lithuanians 23.5%
Estonians 22.7%
Latvians 16.0%
Russians 13.2%
Turks 5.9%
Ukrainians 5.5%
Swedes 5.5%
Bulgarians 4.9%
Portugueses 4.6%
Norwegians 3.5%
Czechs 3.0%
Danes 2.9%
Frenchmen 2.9%
Poles 2.5%
Italians 2.1%
Spaniards 2.1%
Slovakians 2.0%
Greeks 2.0%
Armenians 1.5%
Germans 1.3%
Belarusians 1.0%
Yugoslavians 1.0%
Icelanders 0.6%
Britons 0.4%
Scottish 0.3%

[Crimson Guard]

The pattern seems that the more West and South you go the lesser the mixture...

But mogoloid being migrants or invaders may work for North and Eastern Europe which has rather heavy admixture,figure around 5-7,000 years ago,which means alot of contact and mixing.But doest explain Southern Europe..unless a certain much lesser amount of Mongoloids where brought back as slaves by either the Greeks,Persians ,Scythians or the Romans during he past 2-3,000 years.

Their was alot of trade between the han Chinese and the Romans...much more than they tell you the history books.

[Crimson Guard]

or we have to assume that the Hun's/Turkomans and later the Mongol's brought in the Mongoloid genes and more greatly influenced the genes in Northern and Eastern Europe than has been emphasized....but this occurred in more contemporary times.

But to also be found in Britain is a bit confusing.

[jam]

pierolapithecus said:

Asian lineages were much more prevalent than sub-Saharan lineages, detected even in the Southern and Western groups, mainly because Mongoloids entered Europe as migrants long ago, while Negroids came only recently as slaves and thus in smaller numbers with less access to natives for intermarriage. Northeastern Europe was by far most affected by the Asian ancestry, which is correlated with Finno-Ugrian migrations from the Arctic and Siberia occurring c. 4000 years ago, and possibly also with later invasions. Indeed, it comprises a principal component of genetic variation in Europe.

NATIONALITY ADMIXTURE
Lapps 47.4%
Finns 30.0%
Lithuanians 23.5%
Estonians 22.7%
Latvians 16.0%
Russians 13.2%
Turks 5.9%
Ukrainians 5.5%
Swedes 5.5%
Bulgarians 4.9%
Portugueses 4.6%
Norwegians 3.5%
Czechs 3.0%
Danes 2.9%
Frenchmen 2.9%
Poles 2.5%
Italians 2.1%
Spaniards 2.1%
Slovakians 2.0%
Greeks 2.0%
Armenians 1.5%
Germans 1.3%
Belarusians 1.0%
Yugoslavians 1.0%
Icelanders 0.6%
Britons 0.4%
Scottish 0.3%

I wonder what these numbers actually mean? Percentage of what, exactly?
Don't tell me, that Finns are 30% mongoloid, as in 1/3 mongoloid, that's totally ludicrous.

It's also very strange, that the Icelandic number is different from Norwegians, as that's mostly what they are.

[cocacola]

The third girl looks totally east asian. What is the source of these pictures. I hope it's not 'hot or not slovakians' or some other personals website that are infested with fake pictures.

[Polako]

pierolapithecus said:

Asian lineages were much more prevalent than sub-Saharan lineages, detected even in the Southern and Western groups, mainly because Mongoloids entered Europe as migrants long ago, while Negroids came only recently as slaves and thus in smaller numbers with less access to natives for intermarriage. Northeastern Europe was by far most affected by the Asian ancestry, which is correlated with Finno-Ugrian migrations from the Arctic and Siberia occurring c. 4000 years ago, and possibly also with later invasions. Indeed, it comprises a principal component of genetic variation in Europe.

NATIONALITY ADMIXTURE
Lapps 47.4%
Finns 30.0%
Lithuanians 23.5%
Estonians 22.7%
Latvians 16.0%
Russians 13.2%
Turks 5.9%
Ukrainians 5.5%
Swedes 5.5%
Bulgarians 4.9%
Portugueses 4.6%
Norwegians 3.5%
Czechs 3.0%
Danes 2.9%
Frenchmen 2.9%
Poles 2.5%
Italians 2.1%
Spaniards 2.1%
Slovakians 2.0%
Greeks 2.0%
Armenians 1.5%
Germans 1.3%
Belarusians 1.0%
Yugoslavians 1.0%
Icelanders 0.6%
Britons 0.4%
Scottish 0.3%

I'm always amazed by the stupidity of many people on these forums.

These figures are for N (Tat-C) and do not necessarily indicate Mongoloid admixture. Finns have a lot of Tat-C, yet in ters of autosomal DNA (what we're made of, and not just our ancestral lineages) they are almost wholly Central European.

Also, I would like to see some studies that the Huns, Avars and Turko-Mongols affected the European geene pool to any meaningful extent.

I have yet to see any proof of this in scientific literature, yet most people on this forum take that myth as fact.