Lynn on Race differences in Intelligence

[Agrippa]

ienjoylurking said:

If that list is correct, then It seems the amerindian admixture didnt not "bring it down" a lot since it is as high as some european nations.

Well, from what I saw, in meantime we have more admixture in many European cities than in Argentina, that says a lot.

Just compare from the average face project, posted in the phys. anthro. section, the Argentinian and Portuguese or Cologne morphing, the later, though as individuals as or even more Europid obviously, are on average already more influenced by non-European elements, whereas Argentinians from Buenos Aires come close to a classic (West-) Mediterranid face between Atlantomediterranid and Gracilmediterranid...

Most Argentinians I saw are clearly European by racial type and on average relatively progressive.

Furthermore Indianids are not that low, so even a mixture with Indianids wouldnt have the same biological effect on intelligence as Negrid f.e.

[eufrenio]

eufrenioiqreject said:

eufrenio said:

It seems Dienekes does not agree with Lynn regarding Greek IQ:
dienekes.blogspot.com/2004/08/richard-lynns-massaged-iq-data.html
(One brief chauvinistic note: Spain´s score is 99, European average, but lumping us with Portugal drives the score down) ;D

Your little joke of chauvinism is as weak as your IQ.

In the very link you posted Portugal out scores Spain.

Next, the average for Spain is not 99 but 97 while Portugal is 95.In Lynns study.
Found here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IQ

Moral of all this, eufrenio the 38 year old, tried to make a joke but his IQ failed it to make it funny.

He better hope that the Basques and Calatans remain part of Spain other wise Spains economic growth will stop. (oh thats just a joke,no need to be offended,eufrenio.

Your reply was very unfunny... Did I hit a raw nerve?
The data you quote is from 1978.

Since IQ&tWoN, much valuable new data from Europe especially comes from the recent book Culture and Children's Intelligence. The median IQ of European peoples is now listed as 99, and this mostly holds for rich countries in the North and poor ex-Communist ones in the East, as well as white Americans, Australians, etc., and whites in six different Latin American nations. But there also appear to be some differences too - Ireland, Portugal and Lithuania all have IQs, unlike their neighbors, in the low 90s. Multiple studies give similar results showing the scores are 'reliable' if not 'valid' (Ireland for instance has three studies with large standardization samples showing very similar results). Secondly, while Southern Europe does not score poorly as a block (Spain and Italy score "normally"), Southeast Europe does reflect a regional trend of lower scores that extends from the Balkans into Turkey and the Near East (so for instance Romania 94, Bulgaria 93, Croatia 90, Serbia 89, Greece 93 [5 studies], and Turkey 90).

www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/02/world-of-difference-richard-lynn-maps.php

For the record, I am not a true believer in the science of comparative IQ. The data is pretty interesting nonetheless.

[jam]

Please, people, come on. There's no way any population anywhere can have an average in the sixties, let alone fifties. It just show how fallible the tests are.
(Pity my sister wont post here, cognitive psychology is her PhD, so she have some opinion on the matter. )

[asdf]

Please, people, come on. There's no way any population anywhere can have an average in the sixties, let alone fifties. It just show how fallible the tests are.

Why's that?

[wadad]

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[jam]

It's probably a complex issue, and I'm not an expert. But that would, for example, mean that they're borderline retarded, and I seriously doubt that's the case.

But again, I'm certainly not an expert in fluid or Crystallized intelligence and such.

However, I think these results are too "Crystallized" if anything.

[asdf]

Borderline retarded people are still able to function normally in society. The term just sounds insulting. 70 is the borderline, right? Well, that's around the IQ of a Western 10-12-year-old. You would expect people that age to be able to handle driving, writing, reading, etc... Clearly they're not retarded.

To quote the:

On the other hand, Lynn lists the average IQ of Bushmen, estimated from 3 studies, as 54! Lynn decides that this is a reasonable score by considering that it is equivalent to the average score of an American third-grader: " An IQ of 54 represents the mental age of the average European 8-year-old child, and the average European 8-year-old can read, write, and do arithmetic and would have no difficulty in learning and performing the activities of gathering foods and hunting carried out by the San Bushmen"

[Agrippa]

Please, people, come on. There's no way any population anywhere can have an average in the sixties, let alone fifties. It just show how fallible the tests are.

Agreed. The main point is upward potential = under good, realistic conditions, what would be the potential maximum.
I have no doubts that most groups can reach at least 80-90, but with the same help and encouragement more progressive types would be around minimum 110-120+
So the relative difference would decrease and they would have higher absolute results, but under the same conditions a relative difference would stay which is unchangeable without changing the whole structure of the individual or its genes for future generations.
And whereas I saw plenty of proofs for the relative differences, even if the results are relative themselves and none against such an assumption - only faked and manipulated works of leftist ideologists which didnt even worked with statistical data most of the time but single individuals alone - which they tested only themselves after "training" them.

[jam]

seizure said:

Borderline retarded people are still able to function normally in society. The term just sounds insulting. 70 is the borderline, right? Well, that's around the IQ of a Western 10-12-year-old. You would expect people that age to be able to handle driving, writing, reading, etc... Clearly they're not retarded.

To quote the:

On the other hand, Lynn lists the average IQ of Bushmen, estimated from 3 studies, as 54! Lynn decides that this is a reasonable score by considering that it is equivalent to the average score of an American third-grader: " An IQ of 54 represents the mental age of the average European 8-year-old child, and the average European 8-year-old can read, write, and do arithmetic and would have no difficulty in learning and performing the activities of gathering foods and hunting carried out by the San Bushmen"

That quote exactly proves my above point, they're talking about Crystalised intelligence, as fluid "REAL" intelligence is usually higher in younger persons than older persons. Intelligence is not such a simple subject as some would make it out to be.

[mhagneto]

Racial Differences in Intelligence: The Evolution of One Person's Views by Laurence Auster

theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol3no1/la-racial.html

[Amic]

eufrenio said:

eufrenioiqreject said:

Your little joke of chauvinism is as weak as your IQ.

In the very link you posted Portugal out scores Spain.

Next, the average for Spain is not 99 but 97 while Portugal is 95.In Lynns study.
Found here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IQ

Moral of all this, eufrenio the 38 year old, tried to make a joke but his IQ failed it to make it funny.

He better hope that the Basques and Calatans remain part of Spain other wise Spains economic growth will stop. (oh thats just a joke,no need to be offended,eufrenio.

Your reply was very unfunny... Did I hit a raw nerve?
The data you quote is from 1978.

Since IQ&tWoN, much valuable new data from Europe especially comes from the recent book Culture and Children's Intelligence. The median IQ of European peoples is now listed as 99, and this mostly holds for rich countries in the North and poor ex-Communist ones in the East, as well as white Americans, Australians, etc., and whites in six different Latin American nations. But there also appear to be some differences too - Ireland, Portugal and Lithuania all have IQs, unlike their neighbors, in the low 90s. Multiple studies give similar results showing the scores are 'reliable' if not 'valid' (Ireland for instance has three studies with large standardization samples showing very similar results). Secondly, while Southern Europe does not score poorly as a block (Spain and Italy score "normally"), Southeast Europe does reflect a regional trend of lower scores that extends from the Balkans into Turkey and the Near East (so for instance Romania 94, Bulgaria 93, Croatia 90, Serbia 89, Greece 93 [5 studies], and Turkey 90).

www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/02/world-of-difference-richard-lynn-maps.php

For the record, I am not a true believer in the science of comparative IQ. The data is pretty interesting nonetheless.

dienekes.blogspot.com/2004/08/richard-lynns-massaged-iq-data.html 1981

IQ and the Wealth of Nations is a controversial 2002
http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_IQ

not 1978

this part in where he mentions Portugal is strange

But there also appear to be some differences too - Ireland, Portugal and Lithuania all have IQs, unlike their neighbors, in the low 90s

the difference is two and its an ajusted score not the reported score

i thinkdienekes shows that there is erros and that people are jumping into conclusion to fast i agree with JaM.

[mhagneto]

Perhaps people are jumping to conclusions too fast. But the possibilities of group differences are not implausible. I'd call myself an agnostic on this issue, but I don't think the possibility that the IQ people are right can be dismissed out of hand, as so many people do with a hysteria that borders on panic. Deniers like Lewontin and Gould have been debunked, as far as I know, and the burden of proof has been shifted from the null hypothesis that all groups are equal to the demand that someone show evidence that groups are equal.

[labi]

very intersting. as aggripa pointed, under equal conditions the averages would be higher for all groups with the lowest current averages closing the gap(rising at a higher rate). however the trend will remain as you see it.

germany the most industrious part of europe represents europes highest. countries success backed by higher IQ. i dont see anything suspicious with the study. fairly reasonable explanation.

i believe japan, korea and all that north pacific asians average would be on europe average if they didnt study from night to day. culture plays some role why japan peaks.