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Post by eufrenio on Aug 25, 2005 19:44:19 GMT -5
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Post by eufrenio on Aug 25, 2005 19:50:27 GMT -5
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Post by omegaspan on Aug 25, 2005 20:28:35 GMT -5
haha we re cleverer
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Post by Melnorme on Aug 25, 2005 21:16:52 GMT -5
If intelligence is a 'modular', inheritable trait, then it's highly implausible that a significant gap would exist between the two sexes, within a single ethnic group. The smart father would pass on his high IQ to both his son and his daughter.
IMO, for explanations for disparities in male and female achievement, look for inherent differences in personality and "inhibitions", not at intelligence.
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Post by nockwasright on Aug 26, 2005 2:58:11 GMT -5
It would be nice if the article cited how this study was done, as seems to me it's quite acknowleged by all precedent testing that women's average tends to be a little higher than men's in IQ tests, with less peaks and lows.
As for the "bigger brain" argument, it is really a very old one, that I think was questioned mainly on the strenght of IQ testings, that show no correlation with brain size. .
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Post by Agrippa on Aug 31, 2005 19:43:28 GMT -5
The educational system we have at the moment in the Western world is definitely made for women more than for men, because there is no strong group pressure, no hierarchy because of achievements in school or between teacher and pupil, no violent punishments and generally norms which work against male nature and behaviour whereas girls fit in much better and seem still more often think along the lines of "having a privilege" to do things more boys refuse. You can see the same pattern if its about altar boys in many regions, for many boys it was more a duty and the fun was just to play with the comrades afterwards, but girls, once altar girls were allowed, saw it as a privilege. Furthermore they tend to adapt themselves more to social structures, want to live in harmony and are less bold.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Sept 1, 2005 12:41:14 GMT -5
I was down at the US Army recruiter yesterday,I was kinda surprised that alot of girls are taking and passing the ASVAB tests and joining. Even the Recruiter told me that more females come in to join than males.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Sept 2, 2005 17:19:53 GMT -5
Men have larger brains, yes. But they have larger everything: Women have smaller organs because they need room for babies. So male gall bladders are bigger than female gall bladders, male hearts are bigger than female hearts, etc. It's all proprtional. I mean, men, on average, are taller, bigger. Generally, they have greater height. I wonder if they measured 5'10'' men against 5'10'' women. Since the averages are something like 5'10'' men and 5'4'' women, of course there will be organ size disparities.
P.S.--As to Melnorme's comments about men passing on genes equally to women--- I'm no expert on what genes control intelligence, but I do know that men don't pass on genes equally between genders--because boys inherit Y chromosomes and girls inherit X chromosomes. If certain genes that are linked to particular areas of the human body are passed down in a Y chromosome, then a father wouldn't equally be able to pass down those traits between girls and boys.
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Post by Dienekes on Sept 2, 2005 21:10:48 GMT -5
Women have smaller organs because they need room for babies. I don't think this argument holds. Consider that during gestation a woman must support both herself and the baby, so this would argue in favor of a woman having a bigger heart, stronger skeletal system to support the added weight etc. But, we don't see that this is the case, and rather women are smaller. Moreoever, males are not bigger than females in all species, although this is certainly the case in the mammals.
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Post by omegaspan on Sept 4, 2005 10:45:23 GMT -5
Men use their analytical brain skills more than women, while women tend to use their 'wholistic' brain capacities and the emotional ones. These have been proven again and again, as well as that men have a larger brain. If we assume that evolution is indeed in process, then the woman coming into labor and working must have made women use their analytical skills too, more than in the past.
Their emotional-wholistic approach to life, is not something that women can overcome in a night or so, because it obviously has physiological bases too.
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Post by Ilmatar on Sept 6, 2005 0:37:26 GMT -5
Their emotional-wholistic approach to life, is not something that women can overcome in a night or so, because it obviously has physiological bases too. Why should it be suppressed in the first place ? I think that being able to combine the analytical skills and the "emotional" approach really gives a person a cutting edge in most fields of life, from business to medicine. And that goes for the men as well as for the women.
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Post by omegaspan on Sept 6, 2005 4:44:28 GMT -5
Their emotional-wholistic approach to life, is not something that women can overcome in a night or so, because it obviously has physiological bases too. Why should it be suppressed in the first place ? I think that being able to combine the analytical skills and the "emotional" approach really gives a person a cutting edge in most fields of life, from business to medicine. And that goes for the men as well as for the women. There we go again.. I didnt see anyone talk about "suppression". Dont start, again, at the point that women were being somehow suppressed AGAIN and you re whining about it, cause i m not interested in reading women whining about things... Sure, it would be great for women to combine these skills, as would be for all people. But surely you must have noticed that women who try to use their analytical skills, bussinesswomen for example, tend to eliminate or hide their emotional side, in order to be succesfull in their line of work.... Men are doing that since the day they are born..hehe So, be my guest, as a woman i dare you to manage to express both your analytical and your emotional sides in your life at the same time. Remember, i also said that the emotional approach to life for women is due to physiological reasons too...
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Post by Ilmatar on Sept 6, 2005 6:46:57 GMT -5
Well, dearest Omegaspan, I'm not whining about anything. But I actually believe that men too have an "emotional side" that often is, but shouldn't be, surpressed. And I actually think that the challenge you are throwing to me is an easy one. I'm facing it daily in my profession. I have been working in Sales, also in the International level, for the past three years or so. That means finding clients, learning about their business, analysing various figures in order to establish which sort of the services they need. This really does call for an analythical mind. However, in establishing the actual connection with the client it's my "emotional side" that comes into play. The fact I have been taught to observe people, their expressions, tone and so on very carefully does come handy when negotiating the price. The fact that I'm genuinly interested in people helps too. When a client has two equally beneficial offer, he or she is likely to choose the one made by the company offering better services - and sometimes it really is the smile that is making the difference. And by the way, you are continuely referring to the physical bases of the female "emotionality". I could refer to the innate agressivity of the men. However, I'm not doing this, since I'm well aware that not all the men turn to violent mobsters even if they have high testosterone level. I actually believe that civilized people can and should be able to control some of their basiest impulses in order to properly function in the community and in the society. But then again, I'm a "cold" Nord.
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Post by omegaspan on Sept 6, 2005 8:22:33 GMT -5
Now you re coming to my point...
By all means, do tell us about the BASE physiological influences in men and women. Do tell us about aggression in men, i will not deny it, how could I? And i will tell you about the maternal emotionality of women, becoming obvious as their body reaches the point of fertility and ability to bear children. You see, Nature has made things wisely, and has proposed them for us mortals to see! But we choose not to see because of our egocentrism, like some women do in our modern times....
I m glad you have combined your skills in your work, but thats not what i m talking about. What will you do when you find yourself amongst NATURALLY aggressive male bussiness competitors? Will you tell them its not a "polite" thing to be agressive? Will you shut down your emotionality to face them? Will you try to come up with some "male" agression too?? Any of those choices would actually be UNNATURAL for you as a woman..
What you as a "cold Nord" fail to understand is the fundamental difference between the North and the South philosophy: you somehow propose and practise biological "equality" for the functioning of your community, while we actually practise self-knowledge and live exactly according to what we are.
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Post by Ilmatar on Sept 7, 2005 0:52:31 GMT -5
Now you re coming to my point... By all means, do tell us about the BASE physiological influences in men and women. Do tell us about aggression in men, i will not deny it, how could I? And i will tell you about the maternal emotionality of women, becoming obvious as their body reaches the point of fertility and ability to bear children. You see, Nature has made things wisely, and has proposed them for us mortals to see! But we choose not to see because of our egocentrism, like some women do in our modern times.... I m glad you have combined your skills in your work, but thats not what i m talking about. What will you do when you find yourself amongst NATURALLY aggressive male bussiness competitors? Will you tell them its not a "polite" thing to be agressive? Will you shut down your emotionality to face them? Will you try to come up with some "male" agression too?? Any of those choices would actually be UNNATURAL for you as a woman.. What you as a "cold Nord" fail to understand is the fundamental difference between the North and the South philosophy: you somehow propose and practise biological "equality" for the functioning of your community, while we actually practise self-knowledge and live exactly according to what we are. I've actually spent years of my life in Southern Europe, as most posters here could tell you. I've also had a significant long term relationship with a Med - and also this is a common knowledge here at Dodona. Therefore I think that I actually have much deeper understanding on "South-North philosophy" than you might have in case you haven't been living in a Northern culture. But I really don't think that it's even relevant here. First of I don't agree on you on the fact that sticking to "biological" patterns means living according to who or what we are, because we are not exclusively biological beings. Second, many Southern Europeans at least wouldn't agree with you either. There are examples of such individuals here, and there are examples of such individuals among my friends.
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