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Post by wadad on Dec 30, 2005 14:55:28 GMT -5
I was chatting with a friend yesterday and the topic of demonic possession came up. That sort of stuff always sparkeed my curiosity...the science of exorcism has been perfected by two religions, Catholisicim and Islam. Both of these religions believe in it, and also believe that the person can be delivered by using scripture. A Catholic Website about Ecxorcism www.stmichael.pair.com/In Islam, the Jinns are said to be responsible for demomic possession and their exorcism is quite common, I've seen people possessed by Jinn with my very own eyes, well atleast their exorcism Heres a video* of a Muslim woman possessed by Jinn, the man who's healing her is reciting passages from the Quran. * this isnt suitable for anyone. Viewer discretion is advised, I found this creepy myself, so watch at your own riskwww.tawheed.co.uk/4/misc/jinn.htmHow come non-muslim/non-catholic people dont particpate in exorcisims? I've yet to see an atheist, protestant or a jewish person here get possessed by demons |
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Post by Educate Me on Dec 30, 2005 14:59:54 GMT -5
they are just sent to a mental hospital
a crazy girl who yells, aliens raped me goes to mental hospital
crazy girl who yells, I have lucifer in me, if the parents are catholic, may get an exorcism.
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Post by wadad on Dec 30, 2005 15:11:32 GMT -5
But educate me, and the muslim members can vouch for this...the people who get possessed by Jinn are definitely not mental cases, once the Jinn has been communicated with, if the imam is powerful the jinn is warned and he/she immediately leaves the body and the person is once again back to normal. I've seen someone get tied up with ropes and then beaten the hell out of, until the Jinn left the body and the person then appears completely normal.
I'd like to hear the scientific explanation for this phenomona
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Post by syriano on Dec 30, 2005 15:26:12 GMT -5
wadad what happened in the time you saw it?
as a muslim I have to believe in Jinn, however, alot of the stuff you see these days are made up or greatly exaterated...
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Post by wadad on Dec 30, 2005 15:37:58 GMT -5
wadad what happened in the time you saw it? as a muslim I have to believe in Jinn, however, alot of the stuff you see these days are made up or greatly exaterated... Syriano, I accompanied my dad to this well known Imam's home. This was in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. We went to the majjlis which was full of men aged from 12 to about 70. they were all apparently possessed by Jin, but seemed normal (except for one man way in the back who seemed mentally disturbed) the Imam has a loudspeaker lol and he is sitting up front.He recites the Quran using the loudspeaker and thats when it got freaky...almost like a chain reaction, or a dominoe effect what happened was the guy nearest to the sheikh started to shake, his eyes rolled up and frothed at the mouth. He's given a paper bag to puke on and he pukes. Then the guy next to him does the SAME shit, and so on until the whole frigging place is full of men all writhing with contorted bodies and screaming. It goes on until Imam stopped reciting, and all the men return back to normal, and then the Imam's disciples gives each man a list or recipe of some kind of herbal remedy to purchase. |
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Post by blueskygod on Dec 30, 2005 15:42:28 GMT -5
has it ever occured to u that people that are supposedly possessed are just tripping off u know...
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Post by syriano on Dec 30, 2005 16:08:11 GMT -5
interesting
so he was reading quran only or with other stuff?
the probelm with this stuff, is that it's hard to know the truth. for example some people can be possesed by magic or something of that sort or so they say..
in your storey it sounds weird because I don't think you can do a standard routine to heal a group of possesed people.
I think it has to be an individual thing with communication with the Jinn.
all this "super natural" (is tha what they call it?) stuff is freaky I admit. one family friend (very reliable) told us that he went to some sofi special occasion in a mosque to check it out. he said some of the people there kept on going on until they entered some state of trance, and started jumping very hightly (not human jumps) one guy he grabbed the sobia pipe (gas heater) thingy with his bare hands (the pipe was red from heat)
anyways, again am really skeptical about most of these stuff you hear these days, because they seem made up..
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Post by metrosensual on Dec 30, 2005 16:10:59 GMT -5
Well, I'm a huuuuge skeptic, and as I have a background in Psychology, I absolutely believe that people that are 'possessed' are either schizophrenic or have MPD. Muscular spasms and involuntary movements are symptoms of both disorders and I think that these are mistaken as 'demonic control'.
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Post by wadad on Dec 30, 2005 16:24:40 GMT -5
interesting so he was reading quran only or with other stuff? the probelm with this stuff, is that it's hard to know the truth. for example some people can be possesed by magic or something of that sort or so they say.. in your storey it sounds weird because I don't think you can do a standard routine to heal a group of possesed people. I think it has to be an individual thing with communication with the Jinn. all this "super natural" (is tha what they call it?) stuff is freaky I admit. one family friend (very reliable) told us that he went to some sofi special occasion in a mosque to check it out. he said some of the people there kept on going on until they entered some state of trance, and started jumping very hightly (not human jumps) one guy he grabbed the sobia pipe (gas heater) thingy with his bare hands (the pipe was red from heat) anyways, again am really skeptical about most of these stuff you hear these days, because they seem made up.. He was reading just the Quran and nothing else. And I dont know if he did individual readings prior to the group reading but I saw it and without a shadow of a doubt it was unnatural. When I said domino effect, I really mean domino effect! No other way to explain it man, it seemed like the jinn was triggered in sequence or something, anyways by the end of it I was afraid something might happen to me so I just waited in the lobby. If you search hard enough for the paranormal in the Middle East or East Africa, you will find it. Metro, yeah I can understand muscular spasms, but the phenomonom im talking about needs a more complex answer...mass hypnosis maybe? like the mass sightings of the miracle of Fatima in Portugal or something Everything you need to know about the Jinn here: www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/articles/the_world_of_the_jinn.html |
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Post by syriano on Dec 30, 2005 16:34:14 GMT -5
interesting stuff I just want to add that I hear about this stuff from many places not just in the Islamic world... many people use various types of "healing" anways, personally I never paid much attention to this stuff. I mean I believe in jinn, but not all what I hear (not talking about you bro  ) allah yestor el jamee3 |
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Post by Crimson Guard on Dec 30, 2005 16:37:19 GMT -5
The Jinn,better known in the Western culture as the friendly Genie's,which of coarse their not, actually pre-date Islam and go back to Ancient Sumeria & Babylon . Most if not all the so-called demons of both Christianity and Islam go back back to their former respective religions beliefs.
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Post by wadad on Dec 30, 2005 16:42:09 GMT -5
The Jinn,better known in the Western culture as the friendly Genie's,which of coarse their not, actually pre-date Islam and go back to Ancient Sumeria & Babylon . Most if not all the so-called demons of both Christianity and Islam go back back to their former respective religions beliefs. How come some places have more jinn activity than others, perhaps they're just more superstious? In the Middle East its known that black magic/jinns is prevalent in specific places like Morocco, Yemen, Zanzibar, etc |
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Post by syriano on Dec 30, 2005 16:50:00 GMT -5
^ in your link it says that Jinn was created before man. it also says that things like voodoo witchcraft etc are based on the same thing  anyways am off to sleep, lates  |
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Post by Crimson Guard on Dec 30, 2005 17:12:56 GMT -5
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How come some places have more jinn activity than others, perhaps they're just more superstious? In the Middle East its known that black magic/jinns is prevalent in specific places like Morocco, Yemen, Zanzibar, etc[/quote]
Perhaps that...and or that the Jinn's are the Qu'ranic name given to the evil spirits that already where indigenous to that area for thousands of years and native to those particular cultures.
These Evil Spirits or Demons have always been with us..some of these exorcism are frauds or medically explained others cannot be rationally explained and are indeed real..So I definitely agree with you their about the paranormal ect.
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Post by psychosemitic on Dec 30, 2005 21:55:35 GMT -5
has anybody seen turkish Exorcist its even more hilarious than turkish ET or TUrkish Starwars
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