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Post by Drooperdoo on Sept 27, 2005 8:43:30 GMT -5
No, we're simply offended by the Noble Lie of our society: That democracy exists, and that it serves the greatest good for the greatest number. In fact, corporations and government disserve the public routinely, operating on behalf of energetic minority interests to the detriment of the majority. It's not advertising or TV programming that's obnoxious, but the fictions underlying them. The manipulations, the agendas.
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Post by nockwasright on Sept 27, 2005 8:50:12 GMT -5
But the fact that people have their own agendas and beliefs (as left wing California showbiz operators) and use their own property accordingly is not in contrast with democracy, nor limits your or anyone else's freedom.
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Matthew
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Post by Matthew on Sept 27, 2005 10:45:03 GMT -5
Most of the founding fathers sincerely believed the tenets of orthodox Christianity. The few who had reservations about certain doctrines recognized the positive influence the Christian religion had on society. They all agreed that, in Washington's words, "national morality (cannot) prevail in exclusion of religious principle." They realized that the only way a free society can exist is among a highly religious and moral people. The Reasonableness of Critics. members.aol.com/jasonte2/reason.htm www.lawfulgov.org/deists.htmwww.deism.com/I still beg to differ. Freedom is an illusion in all countries. We simply have been the most brainwashed before it was exported all over the world. Freedom of choice, or Freedom of selection? The only freedom now, sadly, is that of the product.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Sept 27, 2005 11:35:50 GMT -5
The Founding Fathers where Freemasons not Orthodox or devout Christians.So-called Freedom is another form of Slavery...
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Post by Curious6 on Sept 27, 2005 12:19:11 GMT -5
LOL at these comments. The US embraces democracy and freedom as universal values and it is a textbook example of a representative democracy where freedom of speech prevails.
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Post by nockwasright on Sept 27, 2005 12:27:15 GMT -5
LOL at these comments. The US embraces democracy and freedom as universal values and it is a textbook example of a representative democracy where freedom of speech prevails. Agreed
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Post by Crimson Guard on Sept 27, 2005 12:32:34 GMT -5
Its Federal Republic not Democracy,and theirs no "Freedom Speech",its a misnomer.
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Post by asdf on Sept 27, 2005 12:42:54 GMT -5
I was riding with Mr. Potts near to the Valley Forge where the army lay during the war of ye Revolution, when Mr. Potts said, 'Do you see that woods & that plain? There laid the army of Washington. It was a most distressing time of ye war, and all were for giving up the Ship but that great and good man. In that woods (pointing to a close in view) I heard a plaintive sound as of a man at prayer. I tied my horse to a sapling & went quietly into the woods. To my astonishment I saw the great George Washington on his knees alone, with his sword on one side and his cocked hat on the other. He was at Prayer to the God of the Armies, beseeching to interpose with his Divine aid, as it was ye Crisis & the cause of the country, of humanity & of the world. Such a prayer I never heard from the lips of man. I left him alone praying. I went home & told my wife. We never thought a man could be a soldier & a Christian, but if there is one in the world, it is Washington. We thought it was the cause of God & America could prevail. Source: Eyewitness testimony of Isaac Potts, a Valley Forge resident who shared the following story with the Rev. Nathaniel Randolph Snowden (1770-1851), who then recorded it in his "Diary and Remembrances." I'm not participating in this conversation exactly. I just like teh picture. Oh, and most likely that story was entirely fabricated.
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Post by molika on Sept 27, 2005 12:55:12 GMT -5
Matthew wrote: "I still beg to differ."
Me too.
Do Deists pray? Only prayers of thanks and appreciation. We don't dictate to God.
GW: Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor;
GW: “...and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:”
GW: —for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; —..... —and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us.
GW: beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; —to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; —to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; —to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; —to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; —and, generally, to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.
CrimsonGuard: To say the ALL the US founding fathers were freemasons is quite a bold statement.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Sept 27, 2005 12:58:54 GMT -5
Their was the habit of relating Washington as latter-day Roman Cincinnatus.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Sept 27, 2005 13:03:12 GMT -5
Its not bold,its fact! More than half of them where,and Washington DC is complete giant network of Freemason architecture.
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Post by asdf on Sept 27, 2005 13:06:59 GMT -5
Its not bold,its fact! More than half of them where,and Washington DC is complete giant network of Freemason architecture. Yeah, and despite that, it's meaningless. It's a fraternity for the most part. You do realize Freemansonry and hardcore Christianity aren't mutually exclusive, right? Although there are some slight contradictions.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Sept 27, 2005 13:37:37 GMT -5
Their not completly Christian...and they take themselves seriously.
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Post by Curious6 on Sept 27, 2005 14:10:09 GMT -5
CrimsonGuard, federal republic and democracy are not two mutually exclusive concepts. Quite the contrary actually; federal republics tend to be democratic.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Sept 27, 2005 14:15:58 GMT -5
A Republic and Democracy are not the same thing.
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