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Post by omegaspan on Sept 6, 2005 23:47:07 GMT -5
Not Greece, because religion is not criminalised in Greece.
If there is a reason, then people and media get suspicious which happened for Scientology.
On some occassions, certain people representing a sect or religion get ridiculed though, like the poor Jehova's Witnesses lol!
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Post by Dienekes on Sept 7, 2005 1:32:09 GMT -5
Aren't Them the Gods of the Hellenic Ethnical identity? They _were_ around 17 centuries ago.
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Post by Tautalos on Sept 7, 2005 4:15:17 GMT -5
Who mentioned England?... Anyway, would it be too difficult for the English to care about what happens to their Indo-European relatives' religion? After all, the Olympians are ethnically related to the Asir and the Vanir, Gods of the Anglo-Saxons. Ethnically related? Yes. They are both Indo-European. Yes, there is. But historical and ethnical pride is also good enough.
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Post by omegaspan on Sept 7, 2005 5:57:21 GMT -5
Tautalus,
first of all, in Europe, religions and the state should be seperate entities in all countries according to my opinion.
Secondly, historical and ethnic traditions should of course be respected and people honouring them is a free choice, in Greece too.
But, any kind of religion, should not advocate threats against the nation it exists in, or disobedience.
And also, we both know that religions always struggle each other for winning the peoples' consciousnesses.
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Post by Tautalos on Sept 7, 2005 9:17:39 GMT -5
Tautalus, first of all, in Europe, religions and the state should be seperate entities in all countries according to my opinion. I disagree. Anyway, I did not even speak about State, but of Nation. Yes. But the State should protect the National traditions. Yes, but there are different methods being used by the different types of religion.
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Post by Scanderbeg on Sept 11, 2005 22:28:22 GMT -5
Yeap, they really do worship Illyrian gods and I am not making this up...I am not shure of which gods they worship coz I am not religious, but I heard that one of the gods was called Rendon or Redon or something like that, and that he has to do something with the the water, and probably the sea, and when they bless the water, but for other gods I have to ask a "Baba" who can tell me, coz once one of them told me many gods but I forgot all of them coz I really didn't care about history at that time! If I find more I'll give u! ;D
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Post by Tautalos on Sept 12, 2005 8:49:44 GMT -5
Aren't Them the Gods of the Hellenic Ethnical identity? They _were_ around 17 centuries ago. Just like the Greek language and the ancestors of the Hellenic folk.
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Post by Tautalos on Sept 12, 2005 8:50:43 GMT -5
Yeap, they really do worship Illyrian gods and I am not making this up...I am not shure of which gods they worship coz I am not religious, but I heard that one of the gods was called Rendon or Redon or something like that, and that he has to do something with the the water, and probably the sea, and when they bless the water, but for other gods I have to ask a "Baba" who can tell me, coz once one of them told me many gods but I forgot all of them coz I really didn't care about history at that time! If I find more I'll give u! ;D Thank you very much, Scanderberg.
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Post by dukeofpain on Sept 15, 2005 10:01:58 GMT -5
Well there is definiete similarities in PIE religions, like:
slavic "perun" (baltic "perkunas") germanic "thor", During Kievan Rus the similarities were so obvious there was an amalgamation of the two. For Greek, zeus would probably be most fitting.
Baltic "Dievas" Slavic "Div" Germanic "Tyr"
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Roman "aurora" Germanic "Eostre" Baltic/slavic "Aušra", "Auštaras".
Njord = stribog Loki = Veles
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Post by geo on Oct 4, 2005 10:42:02 GMT -5
The hellenic religion is the worship of the gods & godesses.
Religion is an integral part of Ethnos. It does not have expiring dates, like language does not have expiring dates, like ethics & customs do not have expiring dates, like the genetical heritage does not have an expiring date.
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Post by Tautalos on Oct 10, 2005 8:00:28 GMT -5
The hellenic religion is the worship of the gods & godesses. Religion is an integral part of Ethnos. It does not have expiring dates, like language does not have expiring dates, like ethics & customs do not have expiring dates, like the genetical heritage does not have an expiring date. Right on the mark.
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Post by osservatore on Oct 11, 2005 5:57:41 GMT -5
The worship of the gods is not criminalized in Greece. ... Their rationale is that since Greek law requires that the local bishop should be consulted when a new religion seeks recognition, that they do not want to submit themselves to the scrutiny of the Church. Well, that's too bad, but that's the law, and if they want recognition they will have to go through the same process as every other religion. I see your point, but I believe you'd have to concede that thisprocess isn't exactly impartial. Why should Church scrutiny over other religions? pardon my comparison, but you are either a player or a referee, can't be both!
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Post by Dienekes on Oct 11, 2005 14:25:45 GMT -5
The Hellenic folk is not stuck in a time warp. 17 centuries ago Greeks didn't eat potatoes and wore tunics, but that doesn't mean that Greeks are supposed to continue each and every aspect of Greek behavior once it is established. The people of 17 centuries ago were much different than the people 25 centuries ago, or 35 centuries ago, and much different from us, but they were all Greek. They _were_ around 17 centuries ago. Just like the Greek language and the ancestors of the Hellenic folk.
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Post by Dienekes on Oct 11, 2005 14:35:26 GMT -5
I see your point, but I believe you'd have to concede that thisprocess isn't exactly impartial. Why should Church scrutiny over other religions? pardon my comparison, but you are either a player or a referee, can't be both! The law is the law. There are legal avenues both in Greece and in the European Union to challenge existing law on constitutional grounds. So, people can either lobby for changing the law, or they can challenge the law.
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Post by Tautalos on Oct 12, 2005 7:33:43 GMT -5
The Hellenic folk is not stuck in a time warp. 17 centuries ago Greeks didn't eat potatoes and wore tunics, But now the Greeks can eat what they use to eat 17 centuries ago, if they want; they can wear tunics, even if that would look ridiculous in today's society; but, «strangely» enough, they can't be recognized in what concerns worshipping their own heritage's Gods. Moreover, a God is neither a potatoe nor a tunic. A God is forever and ever. Likewise, the language is neither a potatoe nor a tunic. If the Greek language was extinct, the ethnic group of Hellas would cease to exist.
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