Samhain
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Diplomacy is the art of letting someone have your way.
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Post by Samhain on Apr 2, 2005 20:42:21 GMT -5
Bonum certamen certavi, cursum consumavi, fidem servavEveryone, regardless of faith, has been privileged to be born during this man's legacy, for he is history in the making. Today I am so proud to be Roman Catholic. I've wept the whole time since his parting - what a man! 
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Post by mike2 on Apr 2, 2005 20:47:45 GMT -5
Indeed, he was a great man. I'm not Catholic, but as a Christian I think he deserves a great deal of respect for the things he has accomplished and the people he has touched.
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Post by Dienekes on Apr 2, 2005 21:22:12 GMT -5
Rest in peace. Even those who disagree with him must acknowledge that he worked hard for his tradition, and showed great fortitude despite his illness.
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Post by Italian Stallion on Apr 2, 2005 21:41:18 GMT -5
What can we say that hasn't been said about this man already?
He has managed to hold to his spiritual values, despite secularism encroaching all around him. Having cell phones, a nice car, sex with many partners, aborting inconvienient babies aren't priveldges that we should believe are god-given .
When we die we'll know what was really important in our lives here.
I mourn him not because he died, but because he can't continue on with his important work. The collective world must carry his torch.
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Post by SensoUnico on Apr 2, 2005 22:20:57 GMT -5
I am sorry for your loss. My interest in him is his background, his family. He outlived all: his sister, mother, brother and father. He had an interesting looking mother. He was good with languages.
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Post by captainusa1 on Apr 3, 2005 7:46:23 GMT -5
There is a tribute. It is the dissolution of communism in Europe. It is the embrace of the culture of life throughout the world. His impact upon our history can be measured by the people, of all faiths, who admired and respected this man of God. The world was richer for his presence and will be poorer for his absence.
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Post by santana on Apr 3, 2005 20:28:22 GMT -5
yes i am also not catholic but as a Christian myself i will miss the hope and peace he gave to the world... even if he was controversial in some of his teachings... they were all out of goodness ...
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Post by Springa on Apr 7, 2005 10:56:59 GMT -5
I really believe he was, personally, a good man and meant well, and I respect the love and admiration so many people have for him.
But there are 2 things that in my opinion stain his legacy a bit:
1-Shutting up about atrocities, specially to catholic priests and nuns (Archbishop Romero in particular, who was shot during mass for opposing U.S. intervention) in Central America in the early 80's, when they were being tortured and murdered by death squads.
2-Banning condoms for all purposes and saying they don't protect people from AIDS when half of Africa is dying from this disease and so many people depend on the help of Catholic missionaries who could otherwise distribute condoms. It seems like the Vatican would rather see people dying of AIDS than having sex (which they're gonna do anyway).
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Post by SensoUnico on Apr 8, 2005 4:42:46 GMT -5
Yes, but they are your issues with Catholicism and the RC hierarchy. Individuals are entitled to live according to their conscience and not comply with rulings or dogmas that offend them. I am sure even in Catholicism there is room for individual conscience. My church was systematically attacked by various RC bigots for their beliefs, but do I think the Pope or his Church is responsible for that today? No, I do not. The past is the past.
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Post by Kabbealompost on Apr 8, 2005 9:08:22 GMT -5
I think he was despite some small reforms an ultra-conservative.
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Post by captainusa1 on Apr 8, 2005 16:26:28 GMT -5
I really believe he was, personally, a good man and meant well, and I respect the love and admiration so many people have for him. But there are 2 things that in my opinion stain his legacy a bit: 2-Banning condoms for all purposes and saying they don't protect people from AIDS when half of Africa is dying from this disease and so many people depend on the help of Catholic missionaries who could otherwise distribute condoms. It seems like the Vatican would rather see people dying of AIDS than having sex (which they're gonna do anyway). I disagree with you. I don't think that Pope John Paul the Great's legacy was stained in any way by this terrible tragedy. Millions of people would be alive and healthy today if they would have followed the Church's teachings. Doctrine, which ultimately saves lives, can't be changed to suit the popular opinions of a particular season. |
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Post by Kabbealompost on Apr 9, 2005 10:42:03 GMT -5
I disagree with you. I don't think that Pope John Paul the Great's legacy was stained in any way by this terrible tragedy. Millions of people would be alive and healthy today if they would have followed the Church's teachings. Doctrine, which ultimately saves lives, can't be changed to suit the popular opinions of a particular season. You mean, by not using condoms? |
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Post by captainusa1 on Apr 9, 2005 19:41:53 GMT -5
You mean, by not using condoms? No, I mean by limiting sex to marriage between one man and one woman. Wouldn't that save lives? |
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Post by Springa on Apr 10, 2005 9:39:45 GMT -5
That's not really realistic, is it? No, I mean by limiting sex to marriage between one man and one woman. Wouldn't that save lives? |
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Post by Kabbealompost on Apr 10, 2005 12:54:44 GMT -5
No, I mean by limiting sex to marriage between one man and one woman. Wouldn't that save lives? And of course, limiting sex to breeding. And punishing masturbation with stoning to death. Do you know the song called " Every sperm is sacred" (from Monty Python)? |
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