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Post by Igu on Feb 4, 2006 8:20:13 GMT -5
LOL, just admit that you're religion is inspired by evil and those who -STRICTLY- follow this religion are an incarnation of the devil. no igu, those people follow strictly what they want to grasp (or fed to them) from religion I thought your mom and sister are muslim?  Yes they are, as is the majority of my family, however they do not try to kill me when I say blasphemous ideas, religion is private, which is against the rules of Islam, they are heretics and do not want to admit it. BTW, Mohamed killed many poets just because they mocked him. So these guys are just following what islam says. |
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Post by Funky Kong on Feb 4, 2006 10:24:55 GMT -5
It just came out today that the selfsame Danish newspaper, Jyllands Posten, refused to publish similar drawings just with Jesus two years ago, as they claimed it would be too offensive and would raise and outcry among Christians.
This is irony that couldn't have been provided by fiction.
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Post by eufrenio on Feb 4, 2006 10:39:20 GMT -5
What irony? Denmark is a Christian nation. They don´t have to pander to other religions, though.
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Post by Funky Kong on Feb 4, 2006 10:46:12 GMT -5
That's not what the debate is about.
The paper defended itself in the name of free speech, the same did the Prime Minister, but there goes their defense, as the newspaper has censored itself.
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Post by deuceswild on Feb 4, 2006 11:35:50 GMT -5
It just came out today that the selfsame Danish newspaper, Jyllands Posten, refused to publish similar drawings just with Jesus two years ago, as they claimed it would be too offensive and would raise and outcry among Christians. This is irony that couldn't have been provided by fiction. Actually, the irony is the fact that there's an substantial portion of the Islamic world that feels it has the right and the duty to threaten violence and death for non-muslims who don't share a reverence for their prophet. Jesus Christ has been depicted in far more compromising positions than in a rave party in CD cover art in various heavy metal subgenres. The artist Andres Serrano famously created a depiction of Jesus out of Urine. And even more mainstream popular culture contains a lot of slightly mocking references to Jesus - from South Park to films like Life of Brian and Dogma. Are Christians offended? Sure, some of them are - though I'm sure most of them shrug their shoulders and get on with life. What I have yet to see is Christians rioting in the streets because of the usual blasphemic Black Metal release, or the mocking of Christianity which is really quite general in our culture. Freedom of speech comes with no restrictions, per definition. It is only when speech becomes an act causing immediate and tangible harm to persons that it should be restricted. Like shouting fire in a crowded theatre. One of the key features ofa liberal democracy is that an individual has both the right to offend the sensibilities of others and in turn to be offended as well. |
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Post by Funky Kong on Feb 4, 2006 11:54:51 GMT -5
Well, that's irrelevant to the specific case, you can't look at it from that "universal" perspective, if Western and Christian artists make fun of Jesus it doesn't create the same kind of tension as if it had been an official publication in a Muslim country or similar.
Furthermore, Jesus is important to Muslims too.
Imagine if the drawings had been about Holocaust-denial. Oh my. Denmark would had been boycotted by America.
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Post by ndrthl on Feb 4, 2006 12:45:44 GMT -5
Embassies burn in cartoon protest Hundreds stormed the site in Damascus Syrians have set fire to the Norwegian and Danish embassies in Damascus to protest at the publication of newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. Angry protesters attacked the Norwegian mission after storming the Danish site amid chants of "God is great". The cartoons have sparked Muslim outrage across the world, following their publication in a Danish newspaper and reprinting in other European media. Any images of the Prophet are banned under Islamic tradition. Some of the cartoons depict Muhammad as a terrorist. They have prompted diplomatic sanctions, boycotts and death threats in some Arab nations, while some newspapers have defended publication of the images in the name of press freedom. In other developments: Iran says it should consider abandoning commercial and trade deals with countries where the cartoons have appeared The Vatican says the right to freedom of expression does not imply the right to offend religious beliefs UN Secretary General Kofi Annan calls for calm and urges Muslims to accept an apology from the Danish paper that first published the cartoons. 'God is great' Syrians have been staging sit-ins outside the Danish embassy since the row intensified earlier this week, when Damascus recalled its ambassador. CARTOON ROW 30 Sept: Danish paper publishes cartoons 20 Oct: Muslim ambassadors complain to Danish PM 10 Jan: Norwegian publication reprints cartoons 26 Jan: Saudi Arabia recalls its ambassador 30 Jan: Gunmen raid EU's Gaza office demanding apology 31 Jan: Danish paper apologises 1 Feb: Papers in France, Germany, Italy and Spain reprint cartoons Q&A: Depicting Muhammad In pictures: Cartoon protests Cartoon row: Your views On Saturday, hundreds hurled stones and stormed the Danish site, before moving to the nearby Norwegian embassy. "With our blood and souls we defend you, O Prophet of God," they chanted outside the Danish mission. Some removed the Danish flag and replaced it with another reading: "There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God." The embassy was closed, but it was not immediately clear if it was empty when the protests started, Reuters news agency said. Thick, black smoke rose from the building as firefighters struggled to put out the flames. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4681294.stm
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Post by Funky Kong on Feb 4, 2006 12:56:23 GMT -5
They say the Syrian government didn't react to the attacks because they wanted the Muslims to turn their anger from the weakened secularised, Socialistic Alawite regime, to Western Christians instead. Which sounds plausible.
The Muslim Brotherhood probably played a role in this.
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Post by syriano on Feb 4, 2006 13:24:14 GMT -5
the demonstrations was organized by people forwarding sms 's* to demonstrate infront of the danish embassies. I guess some people got over excited and started playing rough
of course violence is not the right answer
* the rumor? spread that there were some Danish demonstrateros who were gonna burn the Quran in Copenhagen
edit: I checked some of the violence, and most of the people seem to be of the (sha3bi) "bus driver" types
even thought the matter is serious, this kind of behavior is not acceptable...
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Post by maniac on Feb 4, 2006 14:11:35 GMT -5
These idiots should be careful because if Europe reverts to its old self their race is gone overnight. I wasn't an Islamophobic before but these guys are starting to get on my nerves.
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Post by Funky Kong on Feb 4, 2006 14:18:09 GMT -5
The Muslim race?  |
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Post by maniac on Feb 4, 2006 14:24:37 GMT -5
No just the arabs and the pakistanis  |
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Post by nymos on Feb 4, 2006 15:22:46 GMT -5
Well, that's irrelevant to the specific case, you can't look at it from that "universal" perspective, if Western and Christian artists make fun of Jesus it doesn't create the same kind of tension as if it had been an official publication in a Muslim country or similar. Furthermore, Jesus is important to Muslims too. Imagine if the drawings had been about Holocaust-denial. Oh my. Denmark would had been boycotted by America. Why does Holocaust have to do with this? How is it even comparable? If you want to bring Jews into this, then talk about Judaism. |
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Post by Funky Kong on Feb 4, 2006 15:30:16 GMT -5
It was just an example, Jeez.
If we're talking about political correctness and freedom of speech, it doesn't matter which controversial issue we're arguing.
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Post by nymos on Feb 4, 2006 15:33:54 GMT -5
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