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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 30, 2006 3:41:04 GMT -5
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Post by goompaofdoom on Jan 30, 2006 17:21:11 GMT -5
Actually, both Country, Blues and Bluegrass are share a likeness to Celtic music(that being the Celts invented it basically). That being they share the same scales, and those scales even share the same notes with an asian scales or two, and the scale which I am speaking of is the Pentatonic. Which is the most commonly used scale in blues. sound.jp/scale_viewer/asia.htmlwww.worldguitar.com/pentatonic1.htmlAs I said before, Bluegrass, Country and Blues= Celts. |
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 30, 2006 17:22:30 GMT -5
Actually, both Country, Blues and Bluegrass are share a likeness to Celtic music(that being the Celts invented it basically). That being they share the same scales, and those scales even share the same notes with an asian scales or two, and the scale which I am speaking of is the Pentatonic. Which is the most commonly used scale in blues. sound.jp/scale_viewer/asia.htmlwww.worldguitar.com/pentatonic1.htmlAs I said before, Bluegrass, Country and Blues= Celts. Blues has nothing to do with Celts. |
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 30, 2006 17:37:19 GMT -5
Actually, both Country, Blues and Bluegrass are share a likeness to Celtic music(that being the Celts invented it basically). That being they share the same scales, and those scales even share the same notes with an asian scales or two, and the scale which I am speaking of is the Pentatonic. Which is the most commonly used scale in blues. sound.jp/scale_viewer/asia.htmlwww.worldguitar.com/pentatonic1.htmlAs I said before, Bluegrass, Country and Blues= Celts. Blues has nothing to do with Celts. Definitely not! It's origins go back to Mali among other places in Africa. www.honkytonks.org/showpages/countryblues.htm |
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Post by goompaofdoom on Jan 30, 2006 17:51:23 GMT -5
www.richardtrythall.com/37.htmlI'm sorry to come off as rude, but it's just not possible. Sure they may have helped make/influence it, but it all comes down to scales. "In the Southern plantation lands, the tradition was totally transformed by its interaction with the African musical tradition as brought to the United States by African slaves." There you have it. You do have to credit them for Jazz and Gospel though.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 30, 2006 20:09:17 GMT -5
www.richardtrythall.com/37.htmlI'm sorry to come off as rude, but it's just not possible. Sure they may have helped make/influence it, but it all comes down to scales. "In the Southern plantation lands, the tradition was totally transformed by its interaction with the African musical tradition as brought to the United States by African slaves." There you have it. You do have to credit them for Jazz and Gospel though. No, we don't have it. www.history-of-rock.com/blues.htmwww.pbs.org/theblues/classroom/essaysblues.htmldepthome.brooklyn.cuny.edu/isam/evans.htmlNow, we have it.  A genre may work a certain scale but that doesn't mean a scale is the only element a genre needs. Rhythm and note structure are especially important. While musical styles and genres may have cognates, there's no necessary relationship that has to exist.  |
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Post by Jack Reed on Jan 30, 2006 20:56:47 GMT -5
It's all American music. None of those musical styles would have developed in Africa or Europe because the music's creators were influenced by cultural exchanges that were particular to the southern region of the USA. I doubt that rock'n'roll would have existed if American artists hadn't combined country & western with rhythm & blues. Each musical style was integral to the creation of rock music.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 30, 2006 21:11:23 GMT -5
It's all American music. None of those musical styles would have developed in Africa or Europe because the music's creators were influenced by cultural exchanges that were particular to the southern region of the USA. I doubt that rock'n'roll would have existed if American artists hadn't combined country & western with rhythm & blues. Each musical style was integral to the creation of rock music. Yeah. It changes over time. |
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Post by nordicyouth on Feb 2, 2006 11:36:36 GMT -5
If it's done in English, with European-derived instruments...well...c'mon now. Trying to claim 'music' won't better the conditions of African-Americans.
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Post by Tony Starks on Feb 4, 2006 18:01:28 GMT -5
If it's done in English, with European-derived instruments...well...c'mon now. Trying to claim 'music' won't better the conditions of African-Americans.  So explain exactly where you're going with these statements. |
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Post by Springa on Feb 10, 2006 9:53:13 GMT -5
Indeed, Blues does not come from Celtic music essentially, although it might have been partially influenced by white folk song. The pentatonic scale appears in many parts of the world and cannot be used as a distinctive sign of 'musical ancestry'. There are musical forms very similar to country blues in west Africa that use the same scales, specially in Nigeria and Mali as someone already said. About Country music, although it does come mainly from British folk music, it's also been influenced by black music ever since the 20's or 30's. People like the Delmore Brothers have been fusing Country and Blues decades before Elvis and the other rock and roll guys. Also, Hank Williams, the father of modern country music was taught guitar by a black man and incorporated a lot of blues influences which is exactly what made country music what it is today. Actually, both Country, Blues and Bluegrass are share a likeness to Celtic music(that being the Celts invented it basically). That being they share the same scales, and those scales even share the same notes with an asian scales or two, and the scale which I am speaking of is the Pentatonic. Which is the most commonly used scale in blues. sound.jp/scale_viewer/asia.htmlwww.worldguitar.com/pentatonic1.htmlAs I said before, Bluegrass, Country and Blues= Celts. |
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Post by Springa on Feb 10, 2006 9:58:54 GMT -5
Actually, you can't really say they're all European instruments. The guitar comes from an Arab instrument called 'Oud, brought to Spain by the moors and drums are pretty much universal, so there you go. Although I believe that music belongs to everybody, it is a fact that most 20th century American popular music comes from black Americans. Not all of it of course, but if you take a look at the charts from the 50's 'till now, the presence of musical forms invented by blacks is overwhelming. From Jazz to Techno, it all comes from black people originally. Of course white people have also participated and sometimes even improved on them, but black people did invent those genres and it's just silly and petty to deny it. And this is not a political statement, it's just what it is. If it's done in English, with European-derived instruments...well...c'mon now. Trying to claim 'music' won't better the conditions of African-Americans. |
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Post by Springa on Feb 10, 2006 10:01:36 GMT -5
That's true, although rock and roll already existed as a musical form since the late 40's at least, before white people fused it with country. Early rock and roll was a sped up version of r&b, but then the white guys fused it with country and created rockabilly. Little Richard and Fats Domino for instance were rock and rollers with little or no country leanings, just r&b played faster. It's all American music. None of those musical styles would have developed in Africa or Europe because the music's creators were influenced by cultural exchanges that were particular to the southern region of the USA. I doubt that rock'n'roll would have existed if American artists hadn't combined country & western with rhythm & blues. Each musical style was integral to the creation of rock music. |
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Post by Ilmatar on Feb 10, 2006 10:40:05 GMT -5
I'll make sure to listen to a jazz song inspired by capoiera music composed by a Brazilian with a name of scout leader played by a son of an Italian immigrant with an istrument Arabs imported to Europe this weekend....
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Post by Springa on Feb 10, 2006 11:42:06 GMT -5
That's John Pizzarelli playing Baden Powell, right? I'll make sure to listen to a jazz song inspired by capoiera music composed by a Brazilian with a name of scout leader played by a son of an Italian immigrant with an istrument Arabs imported to Europe this weekend.... |
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So explain exactly where you're going with these statements. 
