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Post by asdf on Jan 27, 2006 12:50:21 GMT -5
There is no such thing as "Uralic" admixture. Uralic is a linguistic term and Finns certainly aren't 10% Mongoloid. Sforza seems to think that the genetic heritage of the Finns is 90 % "European". Now, tell me what would the remaining 10 % be? He doesn't even define "Uralic" or "European" as far as I know. But clearly he's not speaking in terms of proper racial groups. European does not = Caucasoid. The point is "Uralic" = partially Mongoloid, not fully, as there is an evolutionary cline there and as Coon and many others noted - the Lappid (and West Sibirid too I guess) type is not just a mixture of Europid (-id, not -ean) with Mongol id, but also of not "fully evolved" Mongoloid. Anyway, Uralic = Lappid more or less, which aren't morphologically too different from Alpinids and cannot be called entirely Mongolid.
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Post by Educate Me on Jan 27, 2006 12:53:16 GMT -5
Exactly Ilmatar, finns are not ridiculously singled out, they are singled out because of the langauge they speak. Thats why people all go RAHR in race message baords when hungarians who look like this are posted.
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Post by harri on Jan 27, 2006 12:54:07 GMT -5
People on Irc-Galleria are mainly youth under 18, I think Irc-Galleria is as representative of Finland as www.snyggast.se is of Sweden. Not very... Sort of true, but it's not a similar rate-me site where narcissistic jailbait fjortisar pose desperately for attention. It's much more varied and I can't think of a similar gallery with a 'random' feature at this moment.
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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 27, 2006 13:01:06 GMT -5
I think that physical antropologists are over-interpreting the data they have. The most probable source for the looks many Finns - especially people living in Eastern Finland - are sharing were found among a very restricted group of the 16th and 17th century settlers who actually survived the famish and wars and got to pass their genes. We are a very inbred bunch of people...
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Post by Educate Me on Jan 27, 2006 13:02:28 GMT -5
a few thousands?
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Post by Educate Me on Jan 27, 2006 13:03:15 GMT -5
I mean 4 or 5 centuries ago, obviously not now
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Post by harri on Jan 27, 2006 13:09:44 GMT -5
We are a very inbred bunch of people... Well, fortunately for Finns, the Savolax make only a small portion of the ethnos.
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Post by asdf on Jan 27, 2006 13:14:08 GMT -5
I think that physical antropologists are over-interpreting the data they have. The most probable source for the looks many Finns - especially people living in Eastern Finland - are sharing were found among a very restricted group of the 16th and 17th century settlers who actually survived the famish and wars and got to pass their genes. We are a very inbred bunch of people... This is pretty much mentioned. Very poor conditions Balticised the entire people, like Alpinisation in Central Europe.
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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 27, 2006 13:14:41 GMT -5
People on Irc-Galleria are mainly youth under 18, I think Irc-Galleria is as representative of Finland as www.snyggast.se is of Sweden. Not very... Sort of true, but it's not a similar rate-me site where narcissistic jailbait fjortisar pose desperately for attention. It's much more varied and I can't think of a similar gallery with a 'random' feature at this moment. IRC gallery was first created as a site where people participating to the IRC discussion groups could post their pics. Most of todays birthday boys and girls listed at the front page are teenagers, but many are over 20.
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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 27, 2006 13:23:08 GMT -5
We are a very inbred bunch of people... Well, fortunately for Finns, the Savolax make only a small portion of the ethnos. No, I'd say that it's fortunate for Finns that they are exceptionally gifted bunch of people, because they - or should I say we - are everywhere.
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Post by harri on Jan 27, 2006 13:42:51 GMT -5
No, I'd say that it's fortunate for Finns that they are exceptionally gifted bunch of people, because they - or should I say we - are everywhere. It's completely natural to try and go 'upstream', so that's why you're 'everywhere' now. No need to sugarcoat it, dear.
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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 27, 2006 13:43:24 GMT -5
I think that physical antropologists are over-interpreting the data they have. The most probable source for the looks many Finns - especially people living in Eastern Finland - are sharing were found among a very restricted group of the 16th and 17th century settlers who actually survived the famish and wars and got to pass their genes. We are a very inbred bunch of people... This is pretty much mentioned. Very poor conditions Balticised the entire people, like Alpinisation in Central Europe. No, they don't really get it. The Finnish situation was and is very different from the Central European one. There really wasn't a founding population large enaugh to be "Balticised" in the same way the Central Europeans might have been "Alpinized". I don't think they have gasped the measure of the population explotion Finland has experienced in the past 500 years. Genetists are much more sensible to the subject.
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 27, 2006 13:47:48 GMT -5
This is pretty much mentioned. Very poor conditions Balticised the entire people, like Alpinisation in Central Europe. No, they don't really get it. The Finnish situation was and is very different from the Central European one. There really wasn't a founding population large enaugh to be "Balticised" in the same way the Central Europeans might have been "Alpinized". I don't think they have gasped the measure of the population explotion Finland has experienced in the past 500 years. Genetists are much more sensible to the subject. Does that mean among other things that quite a few original Finnish physical types were lost or greatly diminished after that bottleneck?
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Post by human2 on Jan 27, 2006 13:57:12 GMT -5
I don't even see how a lot of those posted look Asian. They just are not symmetrical people. They don't look like Euro-Asian mixes I've seen. I think Russians have more Asian ancestry than Finns.
Real Eurasians usually look like Central Asians, not those Finns people post.
And this word "in-bred" keeps getting associated with Asian-looking people.. In-bred Whites in Appalachia or Arkansas don't look Asian. They look like Kid Rock.
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Post by asdf on Jan 27, 2006 14:02:20 GMT -5
This is pretty much mentioned. Very poor conditions Balticised the entire people, like Alpinisation in Central Europe. No, they don't really get it. The Finnish situation was and is very different from the Central European one. There really wasn't a founding population large enaugh to be "Balticised" in the same way the Central Europeans might have been "Alpinized". I don't think they have gasped the measure of the population explotion Finland has experienced in the past 500 years. Genetists are much more sensible to the subject. I don't really even understand what you're saying. Size of founding population? Finland more or less has had continuity since the Paleolithic. The original population was Cromagnoid/"UP" but was reduced and infantalised "Balticised" due to recent poor conditions. I don't understand what the size of "founding popualtions" has to do with it. Alpinisation in Central Europe and in Southwestern Europe is similarly. Further reduction and infantasilisation of Cromagnoids, like the Berid. What exactly are you proposing that contradicts this?
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