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Post by metrosensual on Dec 27, 2005 14:26:10 GMT -5
Looking at those pictures makes me cringe. Yobs, that's what they are.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 27, 2005 14:31:26 GMT -5
Most Black American youths look up to those Black gangs that I posted because most of them feel they be representin tha hood yo straight up they gangsta Niggaz.
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Post by metrosensual on Dec 27, 2005 14:35:12 GMT -5
I don't see a connection between the two statements. People of every race commit crime? Gee, really? I heard on PBS race doesn't exist, yo. And the conservatives told me... And the communists said... Um, oh, wait, WHO GIVES A.... Blacks are tarnished by their collective inferiority-complex caused mostly by their past, and by their higher than average crime rates, which are caused to a small or large degree by the former. It's not "a few mindless black people"--20% of black men Minnesota can't vote. I believe that's the usual percentage by state. "Most blacks are law-abiding citizens", yes, but by how much? Since that's off topic, I won't go any further, as it's a boring topic, never approached correctly, and always misconstrued. I would love to see a black positivity thread, but I don't think what you said was much of an argument. And while I don't see what Tony and Aroundtheworld thought they were proving, I have no idea how you could say something along the lines of "Blacks are law-abiding citizens because there are good and bad seeds in every population." Let's focus on frequency. It is all that matters, along with cause. Well, I really didn't know that was the case with American states. My post was pretty much about what I'd seen in Britain - I didn't realise it was so different in the States. Although, even though this opposes my last post about law-abiding and stuff (I deem that post invalid now) - Why do black people come out on the top end of crime rates? Why are they the lowest achievers in school? Why are they the race with the highest number of unemployment? Why are they the least represented people in university and professional employment positions? What drives a lot of them to feel empowered and arrogant about the 'bling bling, bitches, booties, drugs, sex and materialism' of Western black culture? Is this again, the product of an inferiority complex? All of these questions need to be addressed and resolved. Then, and only then can ANY talk of black people moving ahead in society commence.
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Post by Planet Asia on Dec 27, 2005 14:54:35 GMT -5
Most Black American youths look up to those Black gangs that I posted because most of them feel they be representin tha hood yo straight up they gangsta Niggaz. Tony, you don't know what the hell most black youths look up to, are you some kind of spokesman for the black race? How much time have you ever spent around black people?
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 27, 2005 14:56:04 GMT -5
Judging by the way most Black youth in America dress and speak most Black youths are literally walking stereotypes.I have rode the public bus enough times to know how ghetto Black youths act.
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Post by Planet Asia on Dec 27, 2005 14:57:49 GMT -5
Because the media portrays a great diversity in white performers. I don't think the same applies for blacks. For the most part, they seem to be limited to the realm of R&B and hiphop. You see, the media broadcasts no range and makes black culture look very one-dimensional. Like "this is all their kind has to offer, so you better enjoy it or you're a racist turd. News at 10!" I mean, what else do white people have to judge on? Majority interests rule the media. Which is why the media regulates minority culture to BET and Black History Month. That's crap in my opinion. It's accepted segregation. I agree with most of what you said, but still there's no excuse for judging black people based on whats seen on BET, MTV, and any television channel. I don't judge white people for what I see on TV so why should an entire race of people be judged from whats seen on TV?
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Post by Planet Asia on Dec 27, 2005 15:00:56 GMT -5
Black neighborhoods are a breeding ground for criminals,no wonder when I made a poll thread asking Dodoninites if they would ever live in a Black environment most voted no.Hey Charlie look at your boy Tookie's creation,you must be so proud of Tookie for that. There is a reason why White flight exists and thats the main reason right there. Stupid fool, gangs are not unique and limited to black people, you have Mexican gangs, Irish mafia, Italian Mafia, Chinese Mafia, Russian mafia, etc, so what the hell are you trying to prove what this nonsense post? Most crime against blacks is done by blacks and the same goes for whites, thats written in FBI statistics, so what are whites really running from?
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Post by wadad on Dec 27, 2005 15:01:06 GMT -5
Tookie was responsible for creating the bloods too? If blacks just laid low, stopped doing "stereotypical things like gold teeth, slang and ebonics, and cleaned up their acts then they wouldn't be the focus of so much negative. Most blacks need to settle down and assimilate and stop some of the nonsense. I have had black students who refuse to speak correct english and do these mannerisms that are offensive. the bottom line is this is the USA and it is a white-dominated society and blacks are extremely stubborn about their identity unlike Asians who don't have a problem being model minorities. There are positive blacks, but Charlie Bass those idiots whom we ALL see and know and are ashamed of ruin it for the good blacks out there. Blacks should not lay low. If they got rid of their "gold teeth, slang and ebonics" people will find other things to call out on them. If someone hates Blacks it wouldnt matter how docile or submissive a Black man becomes, or how much he copies you... he will still be hated, only now in addition to hate, there will be contempt. Why get rid of ebonics? That is their heritage, ebonics is not some street lingo it developed as sort of a pidgin where slaves blended West African syntax with English. It has historical connotations. Secondly, it is true that the US. is a white dominated country, however dont you think Asians who according to you are model minorities are nothing but a culturally subjugated people who foregone their culture WILLINGLY to blend in with the mass of Whites? They werent even subjugated by force, rather they willingly decided to submit and surrender their identity to become something they at best only superficially participate in (the White label). Thirdy and this is just my opinion, though East Asians do garner alot of positive opinions from mainstream white society, Im also positive that they are at least subconsicously seen as objects of contempt, for yielding and succumbing to what they will never be. Its the same reason British colonialists looked down on the "Indian Gentleman". Britain needed a class of intellectuals who were docile/submissive in their attitude towards the British, but full of hatred towards their fellow citizens. It was thus important to emphasize the negative aspects of the Indian tradition, and obliterate or obscure the positive. Indians were to be taught that they were a deeply conservative and fatalist people - genetically predisposed to irrational superstitions and mystic belief systems. That they had no concept of nation, national feelings or a history. If they had any culture, it had been brought to them by invaders - that they themselves lacked the creative energy to achieve anything by themselves. But the British, on the other hand epitomized modernity - they were the harbingers of all that was rational and scientific in the world. With their unique organizational skills and energetic zeal, they would raise India from the morass of casteism and religious bigotry. These and other such ideas were repeatedly filled in the minds of the young Indians who received instruction in the British schools. You'd think that because imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, that the British would be impressed with all these British Indian wannabes, what with their Victorian English and mannerisims. Instead it only bred contempt for their sorry attempts. So in my opinion, if Blacks are worried about the image they give to others...then they already lost. If they think that they need to get rid of their vices so that mainstream society accepts them then they've become mentally enslaved all over aagain. Its the inferiority complex, the need to prove something to others. Why? Blacks should sit amongst themselves, use their positive attributes and work with that instead of eliminating their very essence so as to not trouble the white majority. If Blacks yield more economic power in the US, well thats all they need. Everythings gonna change once you have the $$$. Money, lol now theres a thing that will make people look at you different, if thats what you care for. IMO nothing is cooler and more awesome looking than a big Black man with cornrows, a platinum grill, a pimping wardrobe and a Masters or say successful business. That there is an alpha male in US society. But an Asian "model minority" who changes his name to Danny, goes on ski trips, doesnt speak a word of Chinese and dyes his hair blonde? I have nothing but utter contempt for him, even more than for a "wigger"
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 27, 2005 15:02:07 GMT -5
Even Bill Cosby said he can't even understand what most of these black youths are saying today with their hardcore ghetto slang talk.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 27, 2005 15:03:23 GMT -5
so why should an entire race of people be judged from whats seen on TV? They shouldn't, that's why whites should have something else to judge blacks on. But I really can't think of anything else besides firsthand experience. But that just doesn't happen enough. Whites are the majority and their influences are seen in more than just the media, simply because they are more numerous. So it's easier to judge them because, they're everywhere. They are the cultural default. Blacks, being the minority, don't exactly have that same status/privilege. It's harder to pin the minority without running into a wall of stereotypes. In other words, the larger the group, the more visible the range in behaviors.
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Post by Planet Asia on Dec 27, 2005 15:06:23 GMT -5
Even Bill Cosby said he can't even understand what most of these black youths are saying today with their hardcore ghetto slang talk. I forgot, Bill Cosby is the spokesman for the entire black race in America, never mind that he once hosted and created the show "Fat Albert" which featured young black youth from the ghetto. That was Bill Cosby BEFORE he became real big. If this was 1971 people would be saying negative crap about the Cosby Kids on fat Albert that they say about young black youth who where gold in their mouth. Bill Cosby should have gotten called on that.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 27, 2005 15:12:57 GMT -5
Wadaad, it's one thing to speak Chinese and follow the traditional tenets of Buddhism. It's another to glorify gangsta culture and an immoral value system (women are sexual objects) that is clearly hostile to that of the majority, then expect to be accepted by that majority ("and if you don't, you're racist").
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Post by Planet Asia on Dec 27, 2005 15:16:27 GMT -5
i must also add, the same white folk who thought that rock n roll was jungle music because blacks were doing it first started to praise rockNroll when a young white guy by the of Elvis Presley started doing it. Before Elvis, they thought rockNroll was too raunchy, sexual and dirty, and besides "Colored" folk were doing it, hence the name "jungle music". The same for rap music with Eminem, there's a great deal of hypocrisy at place here. There are tons of white kids who embrace hiphop culture, buy rap music, and dress in a hiphop style, but thats not the image of white children that the media often portrays. But when blacks do these things[the things they created that whites now embrace] it negative and all people see is "niggers" acting like monkeys. Thats very hypocritical.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Dec 27, 2005 15:21:33 GMT -5
Mike the jedi:
<<Whites are the majority and their influences are seen in more than just the media, simply because they are more numerous. So it's easier to judge them because, they're everywhere. They are the cultural default. Blacks, being the minority, don't exactly have that same status/privilege.>>
Not true,European whites are also slowly ,if their not already ,the real minority group,we just form the backbone of the country.And the same could be said of the Blacks that watch TV,unless your trying to say they dont have TV's now? One can say the blacks copy from the Gangsta Type Idols that are on TV and the radio,as these types already pre-existed before they made it in the business, which they do imitate.
I think Charlie is limited to what he knows,as he leaves in the Boonies in dirtwater USA.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 27, 2005 15:22:32 GMT -5
Rap culture: I like cornrows and hell, even the outfits to some extent. I dislike the gangsta mentality and the treatment of females as sexual objects. I don't care for the genre because it's not melodic enough, but that's not my main quibble.
Rock & Roll culture: I like the genre most of all (classic or progressive rock, not the deafening screaming-not-singing stuff). The electric guitar is an incredible and moving instrument and forms the backbone of rock and roll. I dislike the association with drugs and getting tripped out.
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