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Post by Planet Asia on Dec 27, 2005 13:13:30 GMT -5
You said much more media is devoted to showing white people as good as opposed to bad. I don't believe that. Media by its very nature focuses on the negative aspects of everything. Race need not apply. If they can go after something, they will. That is true to a large degree but blacks are overrepresented as negative and there's been studies done that show that people perceive blacks to be a certain way based solely on what the media depicts. There are white people who have never meet nor worked with blacks a day in their lives but they say negative things about us, why is that?
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 27, 2005 13:17:27 GMT -5
By media, do you just mean news or do you have music channels that play nothing but booty shakin' also in mind?
Because let's face it, whites (the majority) don't know nothin' about black culture other than what they see on MTV. If people thought blacks were like the Cosbys, I highly doubt there would be so much negative sentiment.
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Post by nockwasright on Dec 27, 2005 13:24:31 GMT -5
Charlie I agree with Melnorme this thread is pointless as everybody already knows there are successful African Americans and that the greatest part of African American are honest. Actually African Americans under many respects on average score higher than some Europeans population (eg: income). If someone does not know the above, you won't convince him of anything in any way, as clearly he is not interested in facts.
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Post by Planet Asia on Dec 27, 2005 13:25:18 GMT -5
By media, do you just mean news or do you have music channels that play nothing but booty shakin' also in mind? Because let's face it, whites (the majority) don't know nothin' about black culture other than what they see on MTV. If people thought blacks were like the Cosbys, I highly doubt there would be so much negative sentiment. I'm sorry, but the MTV music explanation is no reason to view an entire race of people in a negative light, especially since the people in videos are entertainers. Nobody looks at Marlynn Manson and thinks the entire white race is negative. Nobody looks at Eminem and thinks the entire white race is negative, so why is it when blacks make videos with women dancing half naked is it all the sudden supposed to represent blacks? These entertainers of all races should not and are not representatives of what their race really are. They're just individuals.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 27, 2005 13:29:11 GMT -5
Because the media portrays a great diversity in white performers. I don't think the same applies for blacks. For the most part, they seem to be limited to the realm of R&B and hiphop. You see, the media broadcasts no range and makes black culture look very one-dimensional. Like "this is all their kind has to offer, so you better enjoy it or you're a racist turd. News at 10!"
I mean, what else do white people have to judge on? Majority interests rule the media. Which is why the media regulates minority culture to BET and Black History Month. That's crap in my opinion. It's accepted segregation.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 27, 2005 13:36:18 GMT -5
they bear the brunt of being tarnished by a few mindless black people that are over-scrutinized as being the 'problem with black people.' Exactly, because these mindless black people are all the media shows. Gullible whites have nothing else to base their opinions off of.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Dec 27, 2005 13:36:33 GMT -5
If blacks just laid low, stopped doing "stereotypical things like gold teeth, slang and ebonics, and cleaned up their acts then they wouldn't be the focus of so much negative.
Most blacks need to settle down and assimilate and stop some of the nonsense. I have had black students who refuse to speak correct english and do these mannerisms that are offensive.
the bottom line is this is the USA and it is a white-dominated society and blacks are extremely stubborn about their identity unlike Asians who don't have a problem being model minorities.
There are positive blacks, but Charlie Bass those idiots whom we ALL see and know and are ashamed of ruin it for the good blacks out there.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 27, 2005 13:39:44 GMT -5
those idiots whom we ALL see and know and are ashamed of ruin it for the good blacks out there. Because they are seen as cool by mainstream youth. The media says this is cool and pimpin' and booty shakin' is all okay. Even if it's not. Thus resentment against blacks by proxy, even if the media is more to blame than blacks are. However, these "artists" are getting their money from somewhere. Which means a great deal of people must be supporting them. Are most of these people blacks?
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Post by aroundtheworld on Dec 27, 2005 13:41:07 GMT -5
charlie, my friend and I just noticed something. In most movies, the chief of police, mayor, and judge us usually a black guy. Hmmm..
Blacksa re not always portrayed in negative light. many times recently the nerdy lab scientist is a black guy in movies.
It seems natural in these movies that there is a predominantly white town but they have a black school principal, town leader, judge, sherrif, etc.
Usually the head of social services agencies in movies is ablack woman.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 27, 2005 13:42:39 GMT -5
Yes, black actors seem to snatch those kinds of roles easily. And I don't think it's because they're black. It's just because they look right for the part. Which is great!
Racism will end when we can start talking about race the way we talk about hair colors. When lynching blacks seems almost as ridiculous as lynching redheads.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Dec 27, 2005 13:47:06 GMT -5
those idiots whom we ALL see and know and are ashamed of ruin it for the good blacks out there. Because they are seen as cool by mainstream youth. The media says this is cool and pimpin' and booty shakin' is all okay. Even if it's not. Thus resentment against blacks by proxy, even if the media is more to blame than blacks are. However, these "artists" are getting their money from somewhere. Which means a great deal of people must be supporting them. Are most of these people blacks? I was channel scanning and on BET network there is a video about showing a grill which is gold teeth sets. Disgusting! It was absurd! I cannot believe this crap like Little Jon and these Ying Yang twins being retarded idiots and kids thinking it is cool. Pick up a book and comb your hair! What is so sexy about a buck-tooth guy with a gold grill encased in platinum.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 27, 2005 13:59:11 GMT -5
A better question would be why do blacks tolerate this unflattering (and what I can only hope is untrue) characterization of their people? Why isn't this in the process of changing? Bill Cosby tried, but I think his rant went on deaf ears.
So, why does it seem that most blacks (especially the youth) promote this negative hiphop image of themselves? And even if they aren't promoting it, white people notice behaviors that suggest they are. And I'm not talking media images, I'm talking real life first-person perspectives (I grew up in the South around many blacks). But white people are afraid to talk about it for fear of being labelled racists.
To further the conversation, I'll bring up my own experience. Back when I was in school, I rode the "black bus" because I didn't live too far from the minority community. It was just down the street. Anyway, on the bus the blacks I liked were the quieter ones (which were usually the girls) and I absolutely dreaded the rowdy ones (boys, naturally). I didn't dread them because they were offensive actually, I disliked them because I could tell they didn't like me or what I stood for.
I got along a lot better with the Hispanics (mestizos) than with the blacks. Why is that? I don't know. That's not to say I didn't have any black male friends, because I did (my best friend in elementary school was black) but in middle and high school, I just couldn't stand most of the ones that rode the bus because of how obnoxious and rude they were. I'd like to think growing up so close to blacks, I have a better perspective than most white people.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 27, 2005 14:05:03 GMT -5
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 27, 2005 14:25:11 GMT -5
I mean, Charlie, you can complain about the stereotypes against your people, but the fact of the matter is whites don't see enough blacks dispelling these stereotypes. Whether that's mainly the fault of the media or of the black community in general, I don't know. But I do believe it is not the fault of the white community, because so many whites have tried to change and accomodate brotherhood, but are overwhelmed by stimuli that would suggest blacks don't really want such a thing. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of white racists still left in the world, but I think that's changed quite a bit since the time of segregation.
Somewhat related question: do you know of any white stereotypes?
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Post by asdf on Dec 27, 2005 14:25:54 GMT -5
I don't see a connection between the two statements.
People of every race commit crime? Gee, really? I heard on PBS race doesn't exist, yo. And the conservatives told me...
And the communists said...
Um, oh, wait, WHO GIVES A....
Blacks are tarnished by their collective inferiority-complex caused mostly by their past, and by their higher than average crime rates, which are caused to a small or large degree by the former.
It's not "a few mindless black people"--20% of black men in Minnesota can't vote. I believe the number for the whole country is 14%. "Most blacks are law-abiding citizens", yes, but by how much? Since that's off topic, I won't go any further, as it's a boring topic, never approached correctly, and always misconstrued. I would love to see a black positivity thread, but I don't think what you said was much of an argument. And while I don't see what Tony and Aroundtheworld thought they were proving, I have no idea how you could say something along the lines of "Blacks are law-abiding citizens because there are good and bad seeds in every population." Let's focus on frequency. It is all that matters, along with cause.
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