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Post by Educate Me on Dec 12, 2005 21:23:55 GMT -5
lol, if the "real french" were germanic then they would speak a germanic langauge ;D The Franks were germanic, not the people they ruled over, are the spaniards germanic because of the visigoths, vandals and sueves? Do you think De Gaulle, Pompidou, Chirac, Miterrand look nordic, or are they the sons of spanish immigrants? what about the tennis players? Leconte, Pioline, Grosjean, Clement? fake frenchmen too? And that was not just a drawing, it was a Portrait of Descartes, you can be certain he looked like that, Frans Hals was actually a very good painter. French people are generally descendants of celts, and germanics. The Gaulois were a celtic people (you can read about them on internet), and the region where I come from for example (Alsace), their ethnic inhabitants are ethnically, germanics. I don't deny that there is a percentage of meditarrenean ancestry, but it's really tiny, as the pyrenees were a natural genetic barrier, and the romans who invaded Gaule (France), met a fierce resistance from the local tribes, and thus, had no relation with them. As for the language, before the arrival of Romans, the tribes of Gaule spoke several celtic and germanic languages, adopting later, Roman speech and culture, that's why we speak french Today (fortunatly ;D). But ethnically, French are clearly different, from their neighbors of the south, Italy and Spain, you've got just to visit France and see by yourself. You, who are med, do u think you would pass for an ethnic frenchman? lol And of course, when I say, non-med, I don't say all french are blond haired and blue eyed, but yet, they're different from southern europeans, just like a dark haired brit is different from an italian. Gauls as depicted by Asterix and Obelix comics collection. French soldiers in Africa well, since all med looking frenchmen, as you said, are in fact, sons of spanish, portuguese, italian, corsican and north african immigrants, I guess it is impossible for a med to pass for an ethnic frenchman.
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Post by buddy on Dec 12, 2005 23:56:40 GMT -5
I saw the latest on CNN regarding the Australian riots, and it said the rioters were specifically targeting MIDDLE EASTERN men, just thought that I'd point that out. Thus, I guess the targets were mostly Lebanese men. Sure some southern Europeans may have been mistaken for Lebanese, but I think this does much to clear up the confusion we all had here.
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Post by buddy on Dec 13, 2005 0:01:55 GMT -5
French people are generally descendants of celts, and germanics. The Gaulois were a celtic people (you can read about them on internet), and the region where I come from for example (Alsace), their ethnic inhabitants are ethnically, germanics. I don't deny that there is a percentage of meditarrenean ancestry, but it's really tiny, as the pyrenees were a natural genetic barrier, and the romans who invaded Gaule (France), met a fierce resistance from the local tribes, and thus, had no relation with them. As for the language, before the arrival of Romans, the tribes of Gaule spoke several celtic and germanic languages, adopting later, Roman speech and culture, that's why we speak french Today (fortunatly ;D). But ethnically, French are clearly different, from their neighbors of the south, Italy and Spain, you've got just to visit France and see by yourself. You, who are med, do u think you would pass for an ethnic frenchman? lol And of course, when I say, non-med, I don't say all french are blond haired and blue eyed, but yet, they're different from southern europeans, just like a dark haired brit is different from an italian. Gauls as depicted by Asterix and Obelix comics collection. French soldiers in Africa well, since all med looking frenchmen, as you said, are in fact, sons of spanish, portuguese, italian, corsican and north african immigrants, I guess it is impossible for a med to pass for an ethnic frenchman. This might not be totally correct, but I tend to see the French as the point where northern and southern European types meet. I definitely agree that the two largest strains in French ancestry are Gallic and Germanic, but in southernmost France the locals definitely look more like Italians or Spaniards. Plus, among the Gallic Celts themselves, Alpine and Dinaric types were important.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 13, 2005 1:38:32 GMT -5
I don't think the French were ever considered NonWhite in Jim Crow Louisiana probably because the overwhelming majority of French people who migrated to Louisiana were not Med but Alpine and Nordic.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Dec 13, 2005 2:37:38 GMT -5
"I was queueing down at the Registry, a-pickin' up me dole" "To sit in the shade of the killabar tree and drink beer all day long" I thought those two lines were pretty funny. Apparently there is nothing wrong with welfare as long as you're an Aussie sucking at the governments breast. Dull lyrics. Same thing here. We have Nazis bitching about how immigrants from the Middle East denigrate women, but when one of their own is convicted of assaulting his girlfriend, they all go awfully quiet. It's only horrible when non-whites do it. I'll be honest, Im surprised to see White Anglo Saxons finally resorting to mob mentality, I didnt know they had it in them lol Defective genes perhaps? God knows that's what many whites think when non-whites riot.
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Post by eufrenio on Dec 13, 2005 4:56:14 GMT -5
laudabilis, why exactly are those French actors portraying gauls wearing wigs? LOL! Asterix, the comic book, unrealisticaly portrayed the Gauls as uniform blondes and red-heads. In fact, ancient Gauls had the same % of ruffosity as modern Frenchmen, that is, quite moderate. No one is saying that all French are Meds, just that there´s a strong and ancient Atlanto-Med and even gracile Mediterranid strain in France, and not just in the South.
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 13, 2005 6:39:20 GMT -5
Hilarious ! ;D Australian Wogs ;D WOGS R USInsightful, hilarious and engrossing entertainment! WOGS R US is a showcased extravaganza of multiculturalism in Australia today! The band is fronted by singer, actor, comedian and Wog, Mario Malaka! Vocalist extraordinaire, sexy Toula from Casula joins Mario along with the outrageously formidable Mama Masaka whose soul purpose in life is to find a husband! During the show Mario roams the world in search of a new husband for his Mamma. The finale leaves audiences in stitches as Mamma ultimately finds her man and marries him in a typical Wog wedding, ahhhh with a difference! Experience numerous top 40 medleys and comical skits as they pay tribute to Wogs from all over the globe. You'll meet the cast from Saturday Night Fever, Greece, Reservoir Wogs and Pulp Fiction! .................
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 13, 2005 6:55:06 GMT -5
I saw the latest on CNN regarding the Australian riots, and it said the rioters were specifically targeting MIDDLE EASTERN men, just thought that I'd point that out. Thus, I guess the targets were mostly Lebanese men. Sure some southern Europeans may have been mistaken for Lebanese, but I think this does much to clear up the confusion we all had here. Southern europeans are generally quiet and law abiding citizens, well, except some italians like those who moved to Marseille and United states in the begining of the 20th century, but usually, their grand children are quiet and well integrated. So I expect that, from lebanese, though, in France and in other countries, they're rather well assimilated and respected by the natives, I'm rather surprised to hear that it's not the case in Australia. When I heard muslims, I thought they were talking about Pakistanis or maghrebians (who have never integrated in any country). I also heard that some non-middle easterns were targeted because, the rioters thought they were lebanese, that's lamentable.
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Post by ndrthl on Dec 13, 2005 7:02:50 GMT -5
www.imdb.com/title/tt0105275/'Romper Stomper' is a good film about a group of skinheads in Australia and their conflicts with their Vietnamese neighbours.
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 13, 2005 7:12:45 GMT -5
www.imdb.com/title/tt0105275/'Romper Stomper' is a good film about a group of skinheads in Australia and their conflicts with their Vietnamese neighbours. Vietnamese along with chinese, are the most successful ethnic minorities in France. But from what I read, asians in general (even japanese) are violent criminals in Australia, another mistery ! .
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Post by penetratorx on Dec 13, 2005 7:17:29 GMT -5
It's not just Aussies who think of Mediteraneans as not White, my sister was selling her house here in London and an Italian couple came to view it, they told my sister and her husband that they wanted to move from their home because there was too many "blacks" there and they liked the area both my sister and I live in as it's mainly White. When my sister and her husband told me this story they both laughed at what the Italians had said because the Italians were "not White" themselves.
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 13, 2005 7:47:19 GMT -5
laudabilis, why exactly are those French actors portraying gauls wearing wigs? LOL! Asterix, the comic book, unrealisticaly portrayed the Gauls as uniform blondes and red-heads. In fact, ancient Gauls had the same % of ruffosity as modern Frenchmen, that is, quite moderate. No one is saying that all French are Meds, just that there´s a strong and ancient Atlanto-Med and even gracile Mediterranid strain in France, and not just in the South. Here are some facts: * 1850: arrival of immigrants because there were not enough qualified workmen( because of a lower birthrate and industrial revolution ). They only came from border countries : Belgium, Holland, England, Switzerland, Germany and Italy *1851: the census counted 380 000 foreigners( that means 1% of the population ). * The Italian immigration continued because of the arrival of Mussoloni to the government in 1922 *In the 1920’s 1 150 000 foreign workmen were registred .Between 1921 and 1926 , 225 000 foreigners were welcomed every year .* 1931: there were 500 000 Polish people , 800 000 Italians . Russian, Ukrainian ,Armenian , Algerian and Chinese people were also part of this wave of immigration . With 2 700 000 foreigners for 42 million inhabitants ( that was 6.4% of the total population ) France was the first country for immigration in the world . *1955 - 1975: a third wave of immigrants, the most important of history took place during this period called « the trente glorieuses » in a book written by J. Fourastié. 4 million people came from Maghreb, Spain, then Portugal *The number of Black Africans and Asians has also grown since the official immigration of workmen was suspended in 1974. If immigration mainly concerns nearby countries ( Southern Europe, Maghreb ) its origins have greatly changed *A 1984 article published in Le Monde asserted that nearly 11 million French citizens are descendants of recent immigrants. Now, it's likely that more than 20 million of french, are descendants of recent and no-so-recent immigrants. So you can't generalize about all French. Maybe the french who look Latins, are descendants of Italians, Spaniards and portuguese, maybe those who look nordics, are descendants of Dutch and Poles, etc...All this stuff is minor for me (blondism, swarthiness, nordism, non-nordism, whitness, non-whiteness, and this kind of bullshit). The thing I don't like and I won't tolerate, is when someone who lives on the other side of the planet, says that the Gauls and the ancient french, were not celts and germanics, but meds. That's not something of Race or anything of this sort of crap, that's simply my people's history.
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Post by eufrenio on Dec 13, 2005 7:59:40 GMT -5
Nobody said that. I just said that gauls were not that different from today´s Frenchmen of umixed descent. BTW I´m not from another planet (planet dodona, if that´s what you mean), I´m your southern neighbour on the other side of the Pyrenees, remember? Ihave visited your country on many occasions, and as I said, I happen to have French ancestry, from Lorraine. (My great-grandfather). Et d plus, je parle français plutôt bien!
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 13, 2005 8:11:27 GMT -5
Yeah I know ;D I was rather talking to the americans, and south-americans, who know nothing about France, and think that all frenchmen run restaurants, drink wine and eat cheese, wear berets, and have thin and long black mustaches. You know, the stuff you see in the Simpsons.
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Post by ndrthl on Dec 13, 2005 8:16:25 GMT -5
It's not just Aussies who think of Mediteraneans as not White, my sister was selling her house here in London and an Italian couple came to view it, they told my sister and her husband that they wanted to move from their home because there was too many "blacks" there and they liked the area both my sister and I live in as it's mainly White. When my sister and her husband told me this story they both laughed at what the Italians had said because the Italians were "not White" themselves. How do the English view the Italians then, as Black, Moors or something?
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