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Post by asdf on Nov 29, 2005 20:58:53 GMT -5
Entirely European. Sheesh. Is Dia de los Muertos supposed to be a Spanish tradition? How about eating this: Living in shacks and squatting around what used to be Lake Tenochtitlan European living too? How about the Lady of Guadalupe--is that a European thing too? The language didn't even escape large influx from indigenous words. Latin America, or at least most of the Latin Americans being called "Hispanics", mestizos in the US, aren't Spanish culturally. Historia Hispanica means Spanish History in Spanish, not Spanish-influenced history. www.cervantesvirtual.com/historia/monarquia/index.shtml"Hispanics" white or not are their own thing now.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 29, 2005 21:02:32 GMT -5
I doubt there's alot of White people in Mexico who live in shacks and squat around.
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Post by asdf on Nov 29, 2005 21:13:46 GMT -5
They speak a European language and are Catholic--weren't those your only criteria?
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Post by Educate Me on Nov 29, 2005 21:30:30 GMT -5
are usa wasps european culturally? and australians?
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 29, 2005 21:32:52 GMT -5
I say there's nothing culturally European about poor Jerry Springer type WASP trash who live in trailer parks. ;D
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Post by asdf on Nov 29, 2005 22:32:06 GMT -5
are usa wasps european culturally? and australians? Are you asking rhetorically?
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Post by anodyne on Nov 29, 2005 23:08:25 GMT -5
I say there's nothing culturally European about poor Jerry Springer type WASP trash who live in trailer parks. ;D Those hicks belong to the general definition of "WASP" although they're mostly not anglo- Saxon. I'd call them Scot- Irish rather than "WASP" since most come from the areas where Scot- Irishmen settled, or from areas that have a strong Scot- Irish influence. Those who show up on the Springer show follow the same behavior patterns as their ancestors. WASP is a term I reserve for only of people descendant of Englishmen, or mostly English. There has been a trend of labeling people of the German and Scandanavian stock as WASPs but I don't see that as sensible even as a cultural label only. The reason being the southern elite were different ethnically than the the common southerner. The elite were mostly from southern England (Wessex, I believe.... they tended to come from the same area.. i'm pretty sure it was Wessex) and the commoners were mostly Scot- Irish and Borderland Scots/English. New Englanders were mostly English, both the elite and commoner. But both the English colonists from the north and south had different value systems so it be wrong to classify a trait as WASPish unless you wan't to ignore different cultural trends between people who are WASPS. That being said, most WASPS come from the New England tradition and so generally people think of their values when they think of WASPs. Since they have more clout. As I've said, I don't follow that route.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 29, 2005 23:13:01 GMT -5
So are Irish-Scots the poorest White ethnic group in America.I take it you won't find alot of sucessful Irish-Scot Americans running fortune 500 companies or on Wall Street.
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Post by anodyne on Nov 29, 2005 23:22:24 GMT -5
Many of our presidents were Scot- Irish or part Scot- Irish.... Jackson, Wilson... Lincoln and Grant were part Scot- Irish. Although, if you watch a documentary on Irish immigrants these guys get painted as "Irish" to avoid pointing out that they're Scot- Irish, which always annoys me. I doubt they would have been happy with that. But I'd say they're probably the poorest white ethnic group in the US. Appalachia is basically a Scot- Irish cultural stronghold. That being said if it wasn't for the Scot- Irish the US wouldn't be independent from the British. Two thirds of troops during the America Revolution were Scot- Irish. They usually make up a significant portion of the military in every US war.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 29, 2005 23:30:32 GMT -5
So is there a significant number of celebrities in Hollywood with Scot-Irish ancestry.I haven't seen any on imdb.com.
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Post by anodyne on Nov 29, 2005 23:38:44 GMT -5
Scot- Irish is a term rarely used anymore... you have to figure out based on what region of the country the person comes from and how long there family has been there. Most are unaware of their roots and just call themselves Americans. I would bet Billy Bob Thornton is scot- Irish since he comes from Oklahoma, Woody Guthrie... I can't think of many southern actors off the top of my head.... the bulk of country singers are probably mostly Scot- Irish. But I hate country music so I don't know much about the famous ones. In a state like North Carolina the northern part tended to be of Scot- Irish stock and the southern part tended to be English. So we'd have to look at the person's background more closely.
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Post by asdf on Nov 29, 2005 23:48:54 GMT -5
Thornton--you mean other than being 1/4 Amerindian?
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Post by anodyne on Nov 29, 2005 23:52:04 GMT -5
I just checked his background just to make sure and he's Irish (whenever Irish is used it usually menas so Irish Catholic) and Italian/native American on his father's side so he doesn't count.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 29, 2005 23:53:28 GMT -5
Thornton ain't the only Southerner of partial Italian ancestry,there's also Tim Mcgraw.
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Post by Oldbrit on Dec 2, 2005 9:35:30 GMT -5
the bulk of country singers are probably mostly Scot- Irish. But I hate country music so I don't know much about the famous ones. Southern country music's been big in Scotland for over thirty years, it's just been repatriated with a touch of African musical DNA.
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