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Post by alaina on Nov 15, 2005 18:04:15 GMT -5
With regards to Mexicans iy would depend on how many generatiosn they've been in the family has been in teh states. Native Americans on reservations are the worst off, no doubt about that. Native Americans living outside of the reservation i'm not too sure. There is a sizable Mexican population in the city. Six or more of them live in two-bedroom apartments. You will see the women in the obstetrician clinics with three kids already in tow. I visited Harlem Hospital two weeks back with a friend and saw more Mexican patients than black or PR patients (blacks and puerto ricans are the majority in Harlem, blacks on the west side, PRs on the east). They work long hours at the most undesirable jobs. If you travel on the train early in the morning you will see them going to work and coming back very late at night. They wash dishes at restaurants or stock jobs. My uncle calls them the 'new n**gers.
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Post by anodyne on Nov 15, 2005 18:30:54 GMT -5
They are recent immigrants so it's understandable. 3rd generation descendants of MExican immigrants are much better off than those types.
Man, i have to modify the post of mine you quoted. That's so inarticulate!
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Post by anodyne on Nov 15, 2005 18:36:39 GMT -5
Perhaps you're correct. American hicks whether they be white or black are pretty low on the ladder. I have an acquaintance who lives in the Appalachia mountains, brillant man, has an incredibly low opinion of his neighbors. He's told me quite few stories. And with meth spreading out things are getting much worse. I made fun of him once stating that he was putting down his gene pool but his parents were from the north. So that explains why he's normal. His stories are always amusing.
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Post by redbaron on Nov 15, 2005 19:28:46 GMT -5
Appalachia at least used to have the mines to keep people working. I don't know how the hell people make a living in the Delta region. You can't exactly be a small-scale rice grower these days and hope to survive when you have gigantic operations down the road--not that there's anything wrong with that. Who the hell wants to be working in the fields/paddies when machines can do much of the same work?
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Post by murphee on Nov 15, 2005 19:44:57 GMT -5
I knew some Mexican people in my town a few years ago. Most of them in that family worked hard at menial jobs (farmworker, auto wrecking yard). They would cram a huge number of people in apartments which 2 to 4 Americans would normally live in. The women were having lots of babies. The ones who worked hard and stayed away from alcohol and drugs seemed to be doing alright and were happy, but the others were not. The kids who had responsible parents were doing well in school and acted as English translators for the parents. The whole family ended up moving to Atlantic City, NJ for work in the casinos, and as taxi drivers. Some were OK, some were not.
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Nov 15, 2005 20:12:43 GMT -5
there must be some balkan romanies (probably refugees) here in the states from post yugo.
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Nov 15, 2005 20:23:35 GMT -5
maybe even an odd ball hungarian romany immigrant -
latinos-hispanic americans and their influences in the united states is both considerable and interesting - especially mexicans - but also including the cuban american community and more so puerto rico - rican americans as puerto rico is a part of the'common wealth' so to speak, if not maybe even a state.
we have to separate the mexican americans that have old strong roots here from these recent poor emigeres - its possible that the newer immigrants are more meso american americanoid - less mestizo - while the old generation mexicans might be tri racial basically centralid indianid + iberid and including "anglo" influences also, - mexican american history is still a story of cultural repression although the 'anglo' racial influences must be important - going back some hundred years or so - overall very impressive - the racial amalgamation scenario.
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Post by redbaron on Nov 15, 2005 20:32:39 GMT -5
I believe the old Mexican-Americans live in places like Colorado. The recent ones are distributed just about everywhere, but with centers along the border. Recent immigrants also tend to be from the South of Mexico, like the Mayan states and Oaxaca.
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Post by nymos on Nov 15, 2005 20:45:03 GMT -5
gypsies are regarded in europe and anywhere they live, much worse than african americans I dont think most white americans would have a problem hiring a black nanny, but who would hire a gipsy to look after your children if you go to the movies? Why would you? They'd rob you blind and eat your children while you're away. Gypsies will still your wife and your plough, and will touch your horse in a very bad way. ;D
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Post by lakah on Nov 15, 2005 21:03:44 GMT -5
Are the Nomads from Central asia, like people from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, etc. considered gypsies?
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Nov 15, 2005 21:10:06 GMT -5
the united states is still very different and cross national comparisons with european romanies is not conscise - the lower social stratas are preponderantly white instead of hisps and blacks - or more appropriately -
1)lower strata whites preponderantly 2)lower strata hisps important 3)lower strata blacks important
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Nov 15, 2005 21:15:28 GMT -5
I believe the old Mexican-Americans live in places like Colorado. The recent ones are distributed just about everywhere, but with centers along the border. Recent immigrants also tend to be from the South of Mexico, like the Mayan states and Oaxaca. old gen mexican ams are all along the us - mex border, american side obviously; the social scence there tends to be complex and dynamic - involving poor mexicans - old race "anglos" from there, old gen mexican ams, affluent upper class mexicans, the black communities, etc, etc.
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Post by alaina on Nov 15, 2005 21:35:31 GMT -5
With regards to Mexicans iy would depend on how many generatiosn they've been in the family has been in teh states. Native Americans on reservations are the worst off, no doubt about that. Native Americans living outside of the reservation i'm not too sure. There is a sizable Mexican population in the city. Six or more of them live in two-bedroom apartments. You will see the women in the obstetrician clinics with three kids already in tow. I visited Harlem Hospital two weeks back with a friend and saw more Mexican patients than black or PR patients (blacks and puerto ricans are the majority in Harlem, blacks on the west side, PRs on the east). They work long hours at the most undesirable jobs. If you travel on the train early in the morning you will see them going to work and coming back very late at night. They wash dishes at restaurants or stock jobs. My uncle calls them the 'new n**gers. Oh, geez, I read this post again and it sounds horrible. I'm not prejudiced against Mexicans or anything.
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Post by redbaron on Nov 15, 2005 21:43:14 GMT -5
I believe the old Mexican-Americans live in places like Colorado. The recent ones are distributed just about everywhere, but with centers along the border. Recent immigrants also tend to be from the South of Mexico, like the Mayan states and Oaxaca. old gen mexican ams are all along the us - mex border, american side obviously; the social scence there tends to be complex and dynamic - involving poor mexicans - old race "anglos" from there, old gen mexican ams, affluent upper class mexicans, the black communities, etc, etc. I was referring specifically to the Mexican-Americans who lived in the Colorado area since the time before the Americans won the war and gained that area.
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Post by murphee on Nov 15, 2005 21:45:43 GMT -5
The term "Gypsies," I think, only refers to the people "Roma."
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