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Post by pacificrim on Oct 19, 2005 18:26:03 GMT -5
How is it related? Any race more predispositioned to be fat or thin?
And how is it that so many Asians tend to be so thin (even myself), more so than the average westerner. Even when they move into Western countries and consume a north american diet, as a generalization, they don't seem to get fat as much. Living in Canada, where asians are pretty common, I often observe this.
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Post by CooCooCachoo on Oct 20, 2005 2:20:28 GMT -5
Many of them stay thin because they do eat a more Eastern diet at home. Rice is a non-fat grain. And vegetables, and unsaturated vegetable oils are more commonly served. Even if your average Asian eats a burger while out with his White bread friends, he'll still be eating a more healthy diet at other times when his mother serves him up tofu stir-fry.
My Chinese friend has become a real fat-ass. He eats corned beef hash on a regular basis, even though I tell him it's one step up from dogfood. His blood pressure is through the roof. ...So it's definitely not all Asians.
But yeah, I know what you mean. I look at Japan and see Sumo wrestlers and skinny people, and nothing in between. It's puzzling. ...And for some reason if a Samoan eats a peanut, he gains 50 lbs.
I think it has to do with how long a race of people has lived in an organized society and evolved to handle eating refined carbohydrates. (Like flour, bread, pasta, etc.) Tribal civilizations are more prone to diabetes when they encounter this type of diet. (Like a high rate among Ethiopian Jews who moved to Israel.)
The more recent of a history of hunter-gathering a people has, the higher the percentage of them that will have genes that err on the side of storing more energy for a rainy day in the form of fat.
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Post by murphee on Oct 20, 2005 2:47:22 GMT -5
Do Alpines and UP's have a propensity for weight gain? Though not obese, I have found it easy to gain unwanted weight as I have aged, even on my diet of tofu and rice stir-frys and other items of my eggless vegetarian diet. I appear UP (North Alpine)
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Post by Ilmatar on Oct 20, 2005 3:03:23 GMT -5
Murphee, I'd say that the populations which had to arrange with a very low caloric intake in the past might actually be much more prone to gain weight in recent condition. It probably is pure natural selection: In harsh conditions people with a high caloric intake would have starved to death before reaching the reproductive age. Actually the latest theory on estinction of Neanderthalians is based on the fact that they needed double of the calories UP homo sapienses to function.
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Post by personx on Oct 20, 2005 3:24:17 GMT -5
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Post by asdf on Oct 20, 2005 3:26:13 GMT -5
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Post by Hairless on Oct 20, 2005 3:27:54 GMT -5
I see a lot of fat Asians. I am into fitness and am pretty good at estimatimating body fat % by sight. One thing to remember is that, on average, Asians have less lean body mass (bones and muscle). So one 5'2" 110 lb. woman could have a lot of extra body fat and another be very lean (and more likely that the Asian woman is in the former category).
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Post by asdf on Oct 20, 2005 3:29:26 GMT -5
Exactly. Endo- and exomorphic they are. It's mesomorphic they're not.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Oct 21, 2005 0:22:32 GMT -5
...And for some reason if a Samoan eats a peanut, he gains 50 lbs. ;D ;Dfunny
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Post by Hairless on Oct 21, 2005 5:41:14 GMT -5
...And for some reason if a Samoan eats a peanut, he gains 50 lbs. ;D ;Dfunny lol yes. I know there are studies that claim Samoans are genetically "fat" but if you have ever seen Samoans eat (and what they eat) you would doubt it I was in American Samoa for a while and even there the diet has changed and people are often quite fat. But you also have to consider that the average person eats an incredible amount of high-calorie food! When I go to local-style parties I see people eating 4-5 times more food than one would think healthy and I am not exaggerating in the slightest. So one needs to consider the culture/food connection, too. And also consider that they are more prone to heavier builds and musculature (not necessarily fatter, but larger people). On the airplane to and from Am Samoa I saw so may people that could not fit in the airline seat. The woman next to me was about 6'3" and HUGE but not at all overweight and she was miserable trying to fit into the seat. There were a few men that were much larger than her and were far from fat. So there may be a slight propensity to gain fat but also a much more robust physique, a rapid change from traditional to "modern" (i.e. flab-inducing) diet, and a culture that encourages eating much and often.
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Post by omegaspan on Oct 21, 2005 7:31:51 GMT -5
How is it related? Any race more predispositioned to be fat or thin?. Americans? You eat too much rice and not very much meat maybe? Asians are pretty common in Canada?! Are Canadians pretty common in Asia??
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Post by aroundtheworld on Oct 21, 2005 21:05:03 GMT -5
lol yes. I know there are studies that claim Samoans are genetically "fat" but if you have ever seen Samoans eat (and what they eat) you would doubt it I was in American Samoa for a while and even there the diet has changed and people are often quite fat. But you also have to consider that the average person eats an incredible amount of high-calorie food! When I go to local-style parties I see people eating 4-5 times more food than one would think healthy and I am not exaggerating in the slightest. So one needs to consider the culture/food connection, too. And also consider that they are more prone to heavier builds and musculature (not necessarily fatter, but larger people). On the airplane to and from Am Samoa I saw so may people that could not fit in the airline seat. The woman next to me was about 6'3" and HUGE but not at all overweight and she was miserable trying to fit into the seat. There were a few men that were much larger than her and were far from fat. So there may be a slight propensity to gain fat but also a much more robust physique, a rapid change from traditional to "modern" (i.e. flab-inducing) diet, and a culture that encourages eating much and often. I had that same problem as soon as I stopped exercising 4hrs day I immediately gained weight. I have a smaller "typical" Samoan build but it's very feminine and not as stocky and "thick" as most-probably due to the German admixture. The only time I am not ashamed of my height is around Samoans, Tongans, Tahitians, and Germans/Austrians-where I feel very comfortable. I was @6% bodyfat at one point and weighed 152lbs but wore a woman's size "3" dress. I had a 24" waist. People assumed me to weigh 120lbs. I would groan on the inside when guys I dated would look me in the eye and tell me they only wanted a woman "under 125lbs". Anything higher was a "fat woman". Then they'd compliment me on my "slender figure". If only they knew how unreliable "weight" was. I was completely dense.
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Post by CooCooCachoo on Oct 22, 2005 1:15:31 GMT -5
Everyone says weight, when what they really mean is proportion. It's not how much you weigh, but whether one is fit.
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Post by Digenes on Oct 22, 2005 8:26:05 GMT -5
But yeah, I know what you mean. I look at Japan and see Sumo wrestlers and skinny people, and nothing in between. It's puzzling. ...And for some reason if a Samoan eats a peanut, he gains 50 lbs. Is japanese population completely homogenized, from a genetical or anthropological point of view? I read somewhere -not long ago- that despite centuries` intermixing and homogeneous culture, a continental and a sea-borne (mostly polynesian) element are still discernible throughout Japan.
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Post by asdf on Oct 22, 2005 8:31:02 GMT -5
Asians are pretty common in Canada?! You weren't aware of this? Toronto is like 10% Chinese, 2% mixed.
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