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Post by missinformation on Sept 5, 2005 20:53:20 GMT -5
YOU CAN TELL THE ARABS FROM THE WESTERNERS EASILY AND YOU SAY ARABS ARE WHITE, WHAT BS!!!!  NOW HERES THE STUPID PART YOU SAY THAT WHITES LOOK ARAB IN ARAB CLOTHING? WHO ARE YOU KIDDING? DOES HE LOOK LIKE AN ARAB TO YOU?? NO!  ARABS ARE NOT EUROPEANS |
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 5, 2005 21:20:55 GMT -5
No one claimed otherwise. |
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Post by Toasty on Sept 6, 2005 1:29:24 GMT -5
this is yigal isin't it.
Nice try pal.
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Post by asdf on Sept 6, 2005 3:15:16 GMT -5
Frankly, I'm on this guy's side. Orientalids and Irano-Afghans aren't white, just cuz.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 6, 2005 6:57:15 GMT -5
There is no "white" race to begin with. If white is about pigmentation, then plenty of southern and eastern Euros aren't white either. "White" is a shitty term with no real meaning. I see myself as being of the same race as Euros, but I don't call myself "white" even if my skin is fair. It means nothing.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 6, 2005 12:33:02 GMT -5
Agreed, it's a pretty subjective and meaningless term, useful only if one needs a contradistinctory word to black, which is also fairly subjective and meaningless.
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Post by asdf on Sept 7, 2005 22:28:14 GMT -5
There is no "white" race to begin with. If white is about pigmentation, then plenty of southern and eastern Euros aren't white either. "White" is a shitty term with no real meaning. I see myself as being of the same race as Euros, but I don't call myself "white" even if my skin is fair. It means nothing. Well, as I said, I don't consider Irano-Afghans and Orientalids white, most of them. A dark mediterranoid is white to me, and is generally considered by white, at least by non-caucasoids. Can't really say the same for most ME. Or at least specific subgoups not known in Europe. And then there's places like the Levant and North Africa which weren't long ago staight up settled by Europeans that make the line seem hazier than it is, arbitrary distinction that it is. Armenoids are in though. |
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 8, 2005 1:34:14 GMT -5
Well, as I said, I don't consider Irano-Afghans and Orientalids white, most of them. A dark mediterranoid is white to me, and is generally considered by white, at least by non-caucasoids. I disagree. To a non-Caucasoid, if you mention "white" he'll think of a Nordic person, not a Med (and so do I, to be honest). I honestly don't see what's white about Armenoids. Seems like "white" is still more attached to European history, culture and religion rather than actual race. Anyway, I dislike the term white. I prefer Caucasoid. |
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 8, 2005 2:03:00 GMT -5
When I think of white, Nordic hardly comes to mind. I think more along the lines of Cromagnoids, who are far more common.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 8, 2005 3:01:42 GMT -5
It's mostly the depigmentation that defines white among common men and women who don't know much about human biodiversity. Nordics are the epitome of whiteness, even if they aren't typical of Caucasoids.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 8, 2005 3:51:41 GMT -5
I don't know about that. I've seen some Baltics white enough to give Nordics a run for their money.
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Post by asdf on Sept 8, 2005 4:04:06 GMT -5
It's mostly the depigmentation that defines white among common men and women who don't know much about human biodiversity. Nordics are the epitome of whiteness, even if they aren't typical of Caucasoids. The only reason that is how much it stands out. It's almost proof of whiteness. Heavy depigmentation is almost always indicative of major white blood. That doesn't mean the whole world thinks people who aren't blond aren't white, or that they don't recognize a difference between the types native to Europe and those native to the ME. Again, they just recognize the Nordic phenotype, whether they call it that or not, as being a European thing. |
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 8, 2005 5:37:44 GMT -5
I don't know about that. I've seen some Baltics white enough to give Nordics a run for their money. True, but to many there aren't that big differences between Nordics and Baltics. I think they see the depigmentation first and foremost, because that is what stands out. |
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Post by Drooperdoo on Sept 8, 2005 7:25:59 GMT -5
I don't think this thread was started by Yigal. Someone who claims to be Jewish wouldn't attack Middle Easterners as "non-Caucasoid". I mean, how could a Jew say that Middle Easterners aren't white, when Jews are Middle Easterners--and (after Hitler) are desperate to prove that they're white.
As to saying that Armenoid types aren't white--- Be honest: How many white Americans look at Armenian-American Cher, and consider her non-white???
The answer is zero. No one considers her non-white. Yet she's of Armenian extraction.
Mike Connors from the old "Mannix" TV series is Armenian, too. He doesn't look any less "white" than any other Euro-American.
Just because your nation doesn't happen to geogrpahically be in Europe, doesn't mean that you're non-white.
Likewise with tennis-player Andre Agassi. His family are Armenians from Iran. Who would deny that he's white?
No, I think this thread was started by an Afro-Centrist, who desperately wants to claim a Caucasoid group for his own [in the sad attempt to make blacks seem more white themselves].
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Post by asdf on Sept 8, 2005 15:40:08 GMT -5
I don't think this thread was started by Yigal. Someone who claims to be Jewish wouldn't attack Middle Easterners as "non-Caucasoid". I mean, how could a Jew say that Middle Easterners aren't white, when Jews are Middle Easterners--and (after Hitler) are desperate to prove that they're white. As to saying that Armenoid types aren't white--- Be honest: How many white Americans look at Armenian-American Cher, and consider her non-white??? The answer is zero. No one considers her non-white. Yet she's of Armenian extraction. You see armenoid in Britain as well.  I can spot him as being foreign to Europe, so I wouldn't consider him white. Naturally it doesn't matter, but I don't think, say, Ben Kingsley would be considered white. |
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