mmmkay
Full Member
Internet Philosophiser, Leftist Hero
Posts: 127
|
Post by mmmkay on Jul 30, 2005 12:19:26 GMT -5
I was looking at various posts here, and I've noticed some people make extremely ignorant comments about west africans, such as "worry about your west african negroid civilizations, leave east africa alone". Lol I don't get that. Is the origin of west africans a mystery to people? Why do people separate them from other africans so easily?
West africans did'nt come out of the atlantic ocean, they originated in east africa like everyone else in africa (except north africans) , probably sudan/chad.
Some of you people have a serious problem with the comparison of east africans to west africans, the differences are mostly exaggerated, just because there are real physical differences between the two does'nt stop making east africans black people.
If you want to go that route however, atleast hold yourself to the same standard by saying arabs are'nt caucasian, then you can garner respect (ok maybe outside of dodona you will) you can't have your cake and eat it too. Everyody knows the differential between nordics and middle east arabs.
|
|
|
Post by Ewig Berter on Jul 30, 2005 12:26:16 GMT -5
Est africans did'nt come out of the atlantic ocean, they originated in east africa like everyone else in africa (north africans) , probably sudan/chad. Rather like all humans; Why did you limit your statement to NAs!?
|
|
|
Post by Charlie Bass on Jul 30, 2005 13:14:41 GMT -5
I was looking at various posts here, and I've noticed some people make extremely ignorant comments about west africans, such as "worry about your west african negroid civilizations, leave east africa alone". Lol I don't get that. Is the origin of west africans a mystery to people? Why do people separate them from other africans so easily? West africans did'nt come out of the atlantic ocean, they originated in east africa like everyone else in africa (north africans) , probably sudan/chad. Some of you people have a serious problem with the comparison of east africans to west africans, the differences are mostly exaggerated, just because there are real physical differences between the two does'nt stop making east africans black people. If you want to go that route however, atleast hold yourself to the same standard by saying arabs are'nt caucasian, then you can garner respect (ok maybe outside of dodona you will) you can't have your cake and eat it too. Everyody knows the differential between nordics and middle east arabs. Its quite simple mmmkay, people don't know anything about West Africans except that they're 'Negroid'. I've even posted in this forum where a geneticist states that haplogroup E, which entails both East and West Africans, migrated from the East towards the West, but some people here still will not get it through their thick skulls. Some believe 'Negroids' originated in thick jungles despite a lack of proof from the fossil record. Don't take these dodonites serious with their petty talk, 90% of what they spew is personal attacks, that should tell you something.
|
|
|
Post by Igu on Jul 30, 2005 15:39:35 GMT -5
I was looking at various posts here, and I've noticed some people make extremely ignorant comments about west africans, such as "worry about your west african negroid civilizations, leave east africa alone". Lol I don't get that. Is the origin of west africans a mystery to people? Why do people separate them from other africans so easily? West africans did'nt come out of the atlantic ocean, they originated in east africa like everyone else in africa (north africans) , probably sudan/chad. Some of you people have a serious problem with the comparison of east africans to west africans, the differences are mostly exaggerated, just because there are real physical differences between the two does'nt stop making east africans black people. If you want to go that route however, atleast hold yourself to the same standard by saying arabs are'nt caucasian, then you can garner respect (ok maybe outside of dodona you will) you can't have your cake and eat it too. Everyody knows the differential between nordics and middle east arabs. The genetic distance between Caucasoids and East Africans is more or less the same as the distance between Negroids and east Africans. You're not in the USA, We are not here to know which group must be "excluded" from the "Black ethnicity" or the "White ethnicity", we are here to discuss genetical and anatomical affinity. I'm anatomically "Caucasoid" but I feel no cultural Affinity with europeans, East Africans in Africa feel closer to north africans and middle easteners (the relation is reciprocal, an arab feels closer to an ethiopian than to a european), we do not really care about how people organize themeselves in USA, Africa or any other place in the world, That's not the question, but if you want to play the silly game of finding Bradas (Brothers), it's easy and you'll lose, got it? PS: The distance "D" used in the above chart is based on the FSt distance divided by 100, I don't recall properly the FSt distances, but still, they are realistic.
|
|
|
Post by Igu on Jul 30, 2005 15:50:52 GMT -5
Africa is a geographical term, it does not mean brada (Brother), Got it?
|
|
|
Post by Charlie Bass on Jul 30, 2005 16:41:05 GMT -5
Africa is a geographical term, it does not mean brada (Brother), Got it? I never said Africa was a racial term, whats up with all these strawmen? And its Brotha not Brada, so much for you and your lame attempt at humoring ebonics.
|
|
mmmkay
Full Member
Internet Philosophiser, Leftist Hero
Posts: 127
|
Post by mmmkay on Jul 30, 2005 17:10:37 GMT -5
All I'm saying is be consistent, if your going to say "east africans are not black" or whatever say "arabs are'nt caucasians" either to balance it out from a logistical point of view. People here do the opposite, they want to "have their cake and eat it too".
West africans come from the same exact place as east africans, and they have more similarities than differences, there are some west african groups that bear resemblances to east africans. If your gonna claim what you claim then fine, do it, but be consistent too.
West africans did'nt come out of the atlantic!!!
|
|
|
Post by Charlie Bass on Jul 30, 2005 17:19:12 GMT -5
East Africans don't feel 'closer' to North Africans and Middle Easterners and neither do Middle Easterners feel closer to Ethiopians. Some East Africans share the same religion with North Africans and Middle Easterners, but in terms of culture or feeling 'racially' closer, what you said was completely bogus and utter garbage.
|
|
|
Post by Igu on Jul 30, 2005 18:18:34 GMT -5
All I'm saying is be consistent, if your going to say "east africans are not black" or whatever say "arabs are'nt caucasians" either to balance it out from a logistical point of view. People here do the opposite, they want to "have their cake and eat it too". West africans come from the same exact place as east africans, and they have more similarities than differences, there are some west african groups that bear resemblances to east africans. If your gonna claim what you claim then fine, do it, but be consistent too. West africans did'nt come out of the atlantic!!! Of course west africans came from east africa, no one's saying the contrary, but the rest of humanity also came from east africa, I don't understand why you want to include east africans in one category and not in the other; they are genitically and anatomically intermediate. As for your comparison between the kinship of Arabs-Europeans and Ethiopians-West Africans, it is a completely different story: But if you want to create a new category for Arab, I don't care, there are sub-races and for the moment they are very useful to differentiate between arabs and europeans. PS: If anyone can post the true FSt Values, my chart would look much more scientific ;D
|
|
|
Post by Igu on Jul 30, 2005 18:23:01 GMT -5
East Africans don't feel 'closer' to North Africans and Middle Easterners and neither do Middle Easterners feel closer to Ethiopians. Some East Africans share the same religion with North Africans and Middle Easterners, but in terms of culture or feeling 'racially' closer, what you said was completely bogus and utter garbage. Hey charlie, I said in Africa, not in USA, I've seen living examples of what I say between christian ethiopians and muslim arabs.
|
|
mmmkay
Full Member
Internet Philosophiser, Leftist Hero
Posts: 127
|
Post by mmmkay on Jul 30, 2005 18:45:10 GMT -5
C'mon berter no offense but you basically pulled that chart out of your ass. Give us a more credible charting of genetic distance, then we can talk.
|
|
|
Post by Igu on Jul 30, 2005 19:12:32 GMT -5
C'mon berter no offense but you basically pulled that chart out of your ass. Give us a more credible charting of genetic distance, then we can talk. -I'm not Berter. -Ask charlie, he will confirm the genetic distances made by sforza, but it would be nice if some one posts them.
|
|
|
Post by Igu on Jul 30, 2005 19:23:19 GMT -5
Cavalli-Sforza's Fst distances: Between Danes (Scandanavians) and Near Easteners in general: 238Between East Africans (in the narrow sense---Beja, Tuareg, Sudanese, Cushitic, Tigray, Baria, Amhara) and West Africans 697 Bantu 658 Nilo-Saharan 828 Between "East Africans (as above) and Danes 909 Near Easteners 709
|
|
mmmkay
Full Member
Internet Philosophiser, Leftist Hero
Posts: 127
|
Post by mmmkay on Jul 30, 2005 19:35:34 GMT -5
I dont really care if you put them into another category, just be consistent.
But anyways, I heard that SS africans are the most genetically diverse population in the world, so I'd expect a huge difference genetically between SS african groups, depite phenotypical differences.
|
|
|
Post by Igu on Jul 31, 2005 6:29:38 GMT -5
I dont really care if you put them into another category, just be consistent. But anyways, I heard that SS africans are the most genetically diverse population in the world, so I'd expect a huge difference genetically between SS african groups, depite phenotypical differences. -I did not say that I want to put them in another category, I asked why you want to put them under the label "Negroid". is it based on morphology or genetic? -Negroids have the same genetic diversity as Caucasoids, but if you want to create regions : Let's create a new geographical area which includes East Africa and the middle east and let's call it "Ethopobia" : Ethopobians are the most diverse population in the world....etc. names like "Africa", "subsahran africa" are just geographical areas, I'm actually speaking about populations.
|
|