Is culture determined by race?

[gelaye]

ive posted a similar topic before

what i mean is

could you imagine a Caucasian society (european) being like the Chinese society (im talking about 500 years ago etc), with europeans developing all the artistic/fashion/religions/script of eastern mongoloids, while the chinese had a society that was exact to that of europe (those picturesque swiss villages but in china!) or you could say could you imagine Negroid Civilisations to be like the Khmer civilizations while the Khmer developed civilizations like the Songhai empire? i tihnk i made thinks complicated at the end but hopefully youll get what im trying to say lol

[CooCooCachoo]

Yes...

Firstly artwork is. Black people are better at authoring syncopated rhythms, while white people are better at string intrstument harmon...


...Yes. The answer is yes.

[gelaye]

are there any reasons why?

[geo]

Culture AND race are determined by nature, the geographical place of residence. The reason is of course, survival.

[iberomaurusian]

gelaye said:

ive posted a similar topic before

what i mean is

could you imagine a Caucasian society (european) being like the Chinese society (im talking about 500 years ago etc), with europeans developing all the artistic/fashion/religions/script of eastern mongoloids, while the chinese had a society that was exact to that of europe (those picturesque swiss villages but in china!) or you could say could you imagine Negroid Civilisations to be like the Khmer civilizations while the Khmer developed civilizations like the Songhai empire? i tihnk i made thinks complicated at the end but hopefully youll get what im trying to say lol

Intelligent question!. I get your point and my answer is Yes.

In many previous discussions I had with the black members I affirmed that Culture is Race dependant: a homogeneous racial group living in a certain closed* envirnment would develop a culture (worldview, language, social laws and inter-relations, etc) that is characteristic/specific to their 'race'. The ancient Egyptians' race and culture are a good illustration of my answer, even though AEs werent perfectly racially and culturally isolated.

* meaning no external racial or cultural influences.

[CooCooCachoo]

gelaye said:

are there any reasons why?

(I swear to God, sometimes I think I'm doing College kids term papers with some of these questions.)

Ok. Culture is determined by two things.... Genetics, and Memes.

Memes are a cultural transmission due to teaching, from one generation to the next. (See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme for more info.)

So it could be said there is a balance, between how much you believe is passed down by teaching (Memes) versus influenced by genetics.

But there is a problem with the concept of Memes. Because as we all know, one can adjust ones teaching methods within a day, let alone accross generations. So Genetics favor any piece of culture that survives for a long period of time.

The consistency of some cultures accross time show that there is likely to be a genetic component. Eastern culture has a flavor that has lasted for ages. So does Celtic culture. The fact that a style of art can survive over a long period of time, shows a great disposition of those people to value a particular type of artwork, and have an affinity for it. Even if these things are taught in the finer points of how to create it, it is still a genetic component that produces the affinity.

The question some people may have is, HOW much influence can genes have on small differences between people. ...And the answer is quite a lot. For instance, we share 98% of the same DNA with Chimpanzees. But that 2% is the difference that produces Space Travel and Mozart's concertos. DNA is a VAST template of data. And there is room for combinations of DNA to influence culture for any given race or group of people. Make us appreciate a certain type of artwork, or music over another. Influence moods and mannerisms that belong to one culture or another.

Culture is an essential part of building and maintaining community, which is essential to survival and reproduction. We are social animals. And as much as we like to think of ourselves as individualistic, we survive and thrive as part of a community. DNA that fosters community, is essential. This is evidensed by the many forms of music and art that surviving cultures have. And DNA that produced successful community multiplies and prospers.

The concept of Memes is problematic. Because if things were taught, when two cultures come into contact, there would be a melding and merging of cultures. This is often not the case. Look at Black and White culture. They are distinctly different in many ways, and will remain so. Even if fusions of music and culture exist, they are often the result of collaboration of Black and White artists, rather than an immitation or adaptation.

So at least in my view, culture is influenced, somewhat strongly by genetics.

Can anyone deny that Eastern art and culture has a flavor that has lasted for thousands of years?




Here's an example of one culture not digging on another cultures "Memes". Why? ...because they're genetic silly.
Rock Lobster

[Melnorme]

Good post, Coo. I like your idea of the races giving a certain 'flavor' or aspect to the cultures they produce, no matter how different those cultures are.
For example, among Mongoloids, tribal 'barbarian' Mongols vs. ultra-civilized Chinese, totally different cultures but still an unmistakeable 'Eastern flavor'.

Then again it could be our imaginations.

[MC anunnaki]

I think it's a tricky question. Have different races given the world different cultures? No doubt. Does that mean members of other races can't belong to a culture their race didn't give rise to? No.

[Dodona Underground]

Great point, CooCooCaChoo. Before I read your post, I would have said flat-out 'no.' Now I no longer can.

coocoocachoo said:

But there is a problem with the concept of Memes. Because as we all know, one can adjust ones teaching methods within a day, let alone accross generations. So Genetics favor any piece of culture that survives for a long period of time.

...And you might have added within a specific habitat. So relative to habitat, the culture that is most progressive (I'm so very sorry), survives.

But as with other progressiveness (please forgive me), once community is established, cultural transmission is assured and the local habitat conquered in proper homo sapiens fashion, what role does genetics play after that? If that stage is reached at a fairly primitive level what accounts for more differences in advanced cultures? (Is there much diversity between primitive cultures? Hunting, sleeping, eating, fornicating, painting animal pictures on cave walls. That about covers it. Right?)

I would say coincidence and isolation. (I just realized that that sounds atheist.)

As to the persistence of culture in spite of the interaction of different cultures, couldn't we put that down to what American teachers call "home training?" There are no blank slates. But if you have custody of a child until he is 5, can't you mold him in subtle, profound ways that you the parent/guardian might not even be aware of?

Someone else can talk about intelligence. I hate talking about it.

[Drooperdoo]

One way culture may be determined by race is through music and body-type. My observation stems from seeing a two year-old black child bump and grind. I was mortified. She danced like a tiny adult. Her hip-control was phenomenal. My wife noticed the same thing--with entirely different black children. It was all hip-oriented [and from my personal viewpoint, vaguely immoral--since the grotesque pelvic thrusts and buttocks rotation looked like primitive simulations of sex.]
Neither my wife not I have ever seen white two year-olds with the same muscle control, and when they dance they use their shoulders and legs. Chunky pelvic thrusts never enter into the spontaneous dancing of white two year-olds.
Now let's take this to its global corallary. If you observe traditional Oriental dancing, the hips aren't used at all. Nor in any traditional form of European dancing. No bumping and grinding, no pelvic thrusts, etc.
But if you look at traditional tribal African dancing, it's all pelvic thrusts.
Likewise European instrumentation is aimed at the higher registers with violins and flutes; same with Oriental music; but in African music percussion is the main force behind the music--and the rhythmic percussion is all aimed at the hips. [This is vastly different from the other races.]
Looking at the small black children in the U.S.--who have never seen documentary footage and have never visited Africa--it is startling to see them re-enacting tribal dancing. It makes me wonder--and it's evil to even entertain such thoughts--whether, anatomically, there is different musculature, different femur-to-height ratios, etc . . and that this tends toward different dance-tendencies among the races.

[gelaye]

musically too, mongoloids almost all use the pentatonic scale (giving oriental music the 'chinese sound' argh difficult to describe - think of only playing a piano with the black notes) - now i know other cultures use this, but i find that most east asian music share similar chord structures, also most europid music is major based - my crap theory - is that east asians appear more 'delicate' so their culture and music etc is more 'delicate', whereas caucasians are more robust and large, showing in their culture, architectural styles and more bold painting methods etc. and africans are warm and social, meaning their cultures were passed mainly through oral tradition, and their music emphasised physical ability (pelvic motions etc) OK I KNOW THAT WAS CRAPPY LOL

[manabovetime]

Of course.

When the racial character of the population changes, the culture inherently changes, even if so slightly initially.

America was founded as a White country, and once it ceases being White, it will cease being America.

[Charlie Bass]

manabovetime said:

Of course.

When the racial character of the population changes, the culture inherently changes, even if so slightly initially.

America was founded as a White country, and once it ceases being White, it will cease being America.

Shut your face idiot and go to stormfront. Did the 'Third Reich' fall because of its racial composition? No, the murderous Nazis were defeated and destroyed. America ceased to be a white country years ago, but you're too brainwashed to realize that.

[manabovetime]

hobotraveler said:

manabovetime said:

Of course.

When the racial character of the population changes, the culture inherently changes, even if so slightly initially.

America was founded as a White country, and once it ceases being White, it will cease being America.

Shut your face idiot and go to stormfront. Did the 'Third Reich' fall because of its racial composition? No, the murderous Nazis were defeated and destroyed. America ceased to be a white country years ago, but you're too brainwashed to realize that.

Look, Nigger, the Third Reich was defeated by the world's worst mass murderer, Josef Stalin. Despite techno-cultural superiority, it was simply overwhelmed by sheer numbers.

As for America, it continues to be a White country, since the infrastructure is still controlled by Whites, and we remain a majority, however marginally.

I'm sure you're eager to see America go the way of South Africa...unlimited crime and vicious opportunities for you and your "bruthuhs."
This is the first warning: no racial slurs allowed

[Dalmar Barre]

The U.S.A. is a multiracial country. All races have contributed to its success. Thats the reality of what America is.