kmt
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"Out of Africa there is always something new" ?Pliny the Elder
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Post by kmt on Jul 11, 2005 16:58:18 GMT -5
African pottery is thousands of years older than European pottery ( www.homestead.com/wysinger/ironage.html ) Africans had steel two and a half millennia before it appeared in nineteenth-century Europe ( www.homestead.com/wysinger/ironage.html ) The five earliest civilizations were in the Nile valley, West Africa, Fertile Crescent, Indus Valley, and China ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization#Early_civilizations ) Of these, two are fully African, another two were influenced by Africans, and none were European or European influenced. Africans created agriculture independently, Europeans received agriculture from the Middle East Africans created four indigenous language families (Afro-Asiatic, Niger-Congo, Nilo-Saharan, Khoisan), Europeans created none (Indo-European is imported from Asia) Africa had more civilizations than Europe. Africa had Egypt, Nubia, Nok, Axum, Carthage, Zimbabwe, Ghana, Mali, Songhai, the Moors, Kanem-Bornu, Swahili states, Congo Kingdoms, etc...... Europe had Greece and Rome, and neither were truly indigeneous (Rome came from Greece, which came from Egypt and Phoenicia). Africans has at least 15 native writing systems ( www.library.cornell.edu/africana/Writing_Systems/List_of_Scripts.html ). Europe has none (Latin alphabet evolved from Greek, which evolved from Phoenician, which evolved from Egyptian hieratic).
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Post by Melnorme on Jul 11, 2005 17:08:48 GMT -5
Don't really want to get involved in the upcoming pissing match, but - 19th century Europe, steel - nope.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jul 11, 2005 17:17:54 GMT -5
I've got one word for you: GUNPOWDER.
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kmt
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Post by kmt on Jul 11, 2005 17:18:10 GMT -5
well it was no earlier than the 18th. Africans were producing steel in 1400BC, more than three millenia before Euorpe. "Around 1400 BC, East Africans began producing steel in carbon furnaces (steel was invented in the west in the eighteenth century)." www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/CIVAFRCA/IRONAGE.HTM
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Post by Artemidoros on Jul 11, 2005 17:20:27 GMT -5
Don't really want to get involved in the upcoming pissing match, but - 19th century Europe, steel - nope. Pissing contest? Naah, Europeans aren't even capable of that. Unless a Phoenician starts it for them. You are close to a Phoenician, maybe you can initiate ;D
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Post by Artemidoros on Jul 11, 2005 17:24:03 GMT -5
Come to think of it Danascus swords were made from the finest steel long before the 18th c. African influenced no doubt. Bloody Phoenicians Wasn't gunpowder invented by the Chinese?
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kmt
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Post by kmt on Jul 11, 2005 17:30:08 GMT -5
I've got one word for you: GUNPOWDER. What about gunpowder? Europe's borrowing of Chinese gunpowder was one of the many borrowed technolologys that Europe used to impose domination on the rest of the world, which up untill then had the more advanced civilizations.
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Post by Melnorme on Jul 11, 2005 17:53:39 GMT -5
It's clear that Europeans, since the Middle Ages at least, were capable of forging something called 'tempered steel'. However, it was probably different from contemporary mass-produced steel, which is indeed manufactured using techniques invented during the 18th century. I'm hardly a metallurgy geek, but I get the impression that the term 'steel' isn't entirely exact, and so claims about invention of 'steel' should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Post by Artemidoros on Jul 11, 2005 17:59:28 GMT -5
It's clear that Europeans, since the Middle Ages at least, were capable of forging something called 'tempered steel'. However, it was probably different from contemporary mass-produced steel, which is indeed manufactured using techniques invented during the 18th century. I'm hardly a metallurgy geek, but I get the impression that the term 'steel' isn't entirely exact, and so claims about invention of 'steel' should be taken with a grain of salt. Yes, I bet they used salt instead of carbon in 1800 BC to make "steel".
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jul 11, 2005 18:08:00 GMT -5
<<What about gunpowder? Europe's borrowing of Chinese gunpowder was one of the many borrowed technolologys that Europe used to impose domination on the rest of the world, which up untill then had the more advanced civilizations.>>
Another afrocentrist who attacks whites, what do you know? Or probably Charlie Bass in disguise. ;D
If SSA was or had the better "Civilization" then the wheel would've never been invented....
KMT!
For one,Africa does not Mean Negroid,which clearly your ascertaining it to.The Egyptians where Caucasoid's as where the Phoencieans( The alphabet is not the language was adopted for the Phoencians).In fact they are closely related to the Southern Europeans.
The Neolithic peoples came out of Asia and spread into North Africa and Europe,these Proto-Caucasoid's where already highly advanced and skilled and spread their technology into these respective lands.
That 19th century Europe, steel thing I have to say was hilarious.
You and your sources their have no idea what Steel is. Steel is not a metal thats found naturally in the environment,Iron and nickel are, which must be heated at extreme temperatures to create STEEL!
FACTS:
The first signs of iron use come from Ancient Egypt and Sumer.
Smelted iron objects also first appear in Anatolia, Egypt and Mesopotamia .The oldest known samples of iron that appear to have been smelted fromsites on the Sinai Peninsula, which are dated to about 3000 BC.
Go read real history not your half-witted Afroncrentrist pseudo-History.
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Post by nockwasright on Jul 11, 2005 18:36:59 GMT -5
African pottery is thousands of years older than European pottery ( www.homestead.com/wysinger/ironage.html ) Africans had steel two and a half millennia before it appeared in nineteenth-century Europe ( www.homestead.com/wysinger/ironage.html ) The five earliest civilizations were in the Nile valley, West Africa, Fertile Crescent, Indus Valley, and China ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization#Early_civilizations ) Of these, two are fully African, another two were influenced by Africans, and none were European or European influenced. Africans created agriculture independently, Europeans received agriculture from the Middle East Africans created four indigenous language families (Afro-Asiatic, Niger-Congo, Nilo-Saharan, Khoisan), Europeans created none (Indo-European is imported from Asia) Africa had more civilizations than Europe. Africa had Egypt, Nubia, Nok, Axum, Carthage, Zimbabwe, Ghana, Mali, Songhai, the Moors, Kanem-Bornu, Swahili states, Congo Kingdoms, etc...... Europe had Greece and Rome, and neither were truly indigeneous (Rome came from Greece, which came from Egypt and Phoenicia). Africans has at least 15 native writing systems ( www.library.cornell.edu/africana/Writing_Systems/List_of_Scripts.html ). Europe has none (Latin alphabet evolved from Greek, which evolved from Phoenician, which evolved from Egyptian hieratic). Strange you are using the computer to send us this message, why not stick to the bongos?
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Post by mmmkay on Jul 11, 2005 19:05:57 GMT -5
awwww, that was below the belt ;D but sorta funny. I think this topic itself is just funny. Like melnorme said its basically a contest to see who can piss the furthest. Stuff like this is funny because it proves nothing but general human ingenuity, the fact that some areas produced things earlier does not make them somehow "better". I knew crimsonguard would be on this like flies on dog poo! Uh oh! He's an afrocentrist!! Please crimsonguard define afrocentrist, or atleast give us your definition, then we can go from there. Everybody who talks about african history is not an "Afrocentrist" you are just mis-using the term as a means of discrediting him, the oldest trick in the book. Care to give your explaination why he is an "afrocentrist"?
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kmt
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Post by kmt on Jul 11, 2005 20:04:57 GMT -5
For one,Africa does not Mean Negroid,which clearly your ascertaining it to. Are you also willing to say that Europe does not mean white? Be consistent.... You can't on one hand say Europe means white, while on the other hand say Africa does not mean black...... You have that backwards.... The Neolithic revolution started in the Nile Valley... There are African genes (e3b) in Asia, but no neolithic Asian Genes in Africa that predate Arabs and European invasions. Scholars do not agree with you...... The first of those was black, the second was non-white...... Even if true, Sinai peninsula is part of Egypt (Africa)
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kmt
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Post by kmt on Jul 11, 2005 20:16:58 GMT -5
Strange you are using the computer to send us this message, why not stick to the bongos? If you are trying to say the computer is a white invention, that is false..... it was invented in the United States, which is made partly made up of Asians, Africans, and Hispanics. The computer would not have been possible without binary numbers, which came from Egypt. ALso the computer keyboard you are typing on is based on the typewriter - an african american invention. Strange you are using the keyboard to send your message, why not stick to European cave drawings?
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Post by Dienekes on Jul 11, 2005 20:33:03 GMT -5
If you are trying to say the computer is a white invention, that is false..... it was invented in the United States, which is made partly made up of Asians, Africans, and Hispanics. Which Asians, Africans and Hispanics contributed to the invention of the computer?
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