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Post by topdog on Jul 9, 2005 13:43:51 GMT -5
I was just browsing the many articles in the Highbeam database on Afrocentrism and i noticed that all of the articles, or nearly were ad-hominem attacks on Afrocentrism based on charges that Afrocentrism teaches 'Black Superiority'. This is an unfair attack on Afrocentrism because for so long history has been distorted by Eurocentrism and racism, yet the same detractors do *NOT* attack that particular form of scholarship. I call it a double standard.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jul 9, 2005 13:54:16 GMT -5
Afrocentrism is a fraud and people who sponsor it are losers and scumbags,plain and simple..Eurocenrism isnt even an issue anymore..stop living in the past and grow up!
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Post by topdog on Jul 9, 2005 14:14:10 GMT -5
Afrocentrism is a fraud and people who sponsor it are losers and scumbags,plain and simple..Eurocenrism isnt even an issue anymore..stop living in the past and grow up! Eurocentrism isn't even an issue? What planet do you live on?
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Post by Igu on Jul 9, 2005 15:46:20 GMT -5
I don't think that there is such thing as "eurocentrism" or "afrocentrism", but I'am certain of the existence of Negrocentrism.
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Post by Igu on Jul 9, 2005 15:47:06 GMT -5
Generally, those who use the term "eurocentrist" are arabists or negrocentrist.
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Post by topdog on Jul 9, 2005 17:40:06 GMT -5
I don't think that there is such thing as "eurocentrism" or "afrocentrism", but I'am certain of the existence of Negrocentrism. What a lame one liner.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jul 9, 2005 18:45:15 GMT -5
Any -centrist is a bad -centrist. That's all there is to it. I'm all for correcting misinformation, but not giving undue focus to a particular group of people simply because they've been wronged. I say right the wrongs and MOVE ON.
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Post by NuSapiens on Jul 9, 2005 18:53:00 GMT -5
I think it's hard to escape an "ism." In science, you have to state an hypothesis and pursue it. Spenser Wells theories of human ancestry are based on "Y chromosome-ism." Other approaches are possible.
Afrocentrism is interesting IMO because it can indirectly reveal Eurocentric bias. I don't see any problem with such "isms," as long as they are flexible and open-minded enough to eventually discuss with other "isms" to reveal a common humanity.
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Post by Dodona Underground on Jul 9, 2005 20:56:59 GMT -5
If a group of gentiles created openly anti-Semitic organizations and ideologies because of a claim that they'd been victimized by Jews for centuries, would it be a double-standard to single-out the anti-Semites for special criticism?
I'd rather compare like with like. If an openly anti-gentile Jewish movement were victimizing gentiles as gentiles, then there's no problem with the gentiles banding together to defend themselves against this organized attack. But otherwise, the organized and ideological gentile movement seems more dubious to me.
Likewise with "Afrocentrism." Apart from the kind of biases and groupthink which afflicts all people, there's no need to form a group which is openly of one ethnicity/race to combat the errors of another ethnicity/race, unless those errors are part of an organized and openly ethnic/racial nature.
Also I've noticed that Afrocentrism attracts to itself the same kind of marginal types that are attracted to white nationalism, Christian Identity, etc.
I think that if someone is black and because of his laudable love of heritage would like to correct errors made by whites and others, for example, I think he should avoid Afrocentrism and simply think of himself as a historical revisionist if he needs a label or banner.
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Post by josex on Jul 10, 2005 13:25:57 GMT -5
f*ck Afrocentrism, its the same to me as Nazism or that Aryan bullshit, those people have weak mentality, who are soulless
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jul 10, 2005 13:39:06 GMT -5
Its because their black we must allow them to openly lie and instill their negroid-ness to peoples and cultures which where not and never where negroids. Their book of thought is that the Greeks learnt or stole everything they knew from the SSA cultures which included Eygpt and the semitic peoples.If that doest make you think these black s.o.b's are not crimminals,then you are clearly deluded. Nordicism is no good either,they both should get nuked!
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Post by Wadaad on Jul 10, 2005 14:20:58 GMT -5
Afrocentrism mostly developed as a tit for tat against Eurocentrism, so the people who fear and loathe it are making mountains out of mole-hills. You cannot say your adversary's methods are unprincipled and deceitful and then use the same modus-operandi of your enemy. Where is the honour in that? (my rhetorical question is for x-centrists who loathe y-centrists...and not for the impartial and patient folk of dodona, wink)
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Post by tictactoe on Jul 12, 2005 6:48:26 GMT -5
charlie bass: "Eurocentrism isn't even an issue? What planet do you live on?"
you are right, there still is a stormfront.com web site. However there are at least 10 anti-Kemp web sites in the internet, and you are posting messages at an forum belonging to Dienekes, who is one of the most , if not the most successful opponent of these nordicists lunatics.
Yes there still is eurocentrism, but the Euros established a almost perfect mechanism of self controll, which is absent under afrocentrists, asiacentrists, and turkish nationalists and racists.
Exactly this kind of self control - thats the difference!
Once again I say that racism isn't identical with nordicism. The racism of non-european cultures is much more dangerous than the remaining Kemp lunatics. These non-european racsists misusing the Euros self controlling sensitivity towards racism to establish their own racism.
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Post by topdog on Jul 12, 2005 7:07:24 GMT -5
Its because their black we must allow them to openly lie and instill their negroid-ness to peoples and cultures which where not and never where negroids. Their book of thought is that the Greeks learnt or stole everything they knew from the SSA cultures which included Eygpt and the semitic peoples.If that doest make you think these black s.o.b's are not crimminals,then you are clearly deluded. ! You call me an Afrocentrist but I have *NEVER* advanced any of the ideas above that you're mentioning. When people attack Afrocentrism what are they truly attacking?
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jul 12, 2005 7:26:21 GMT -5
Good Afrocentrism: -Black Africans did have the ability to create civilizations. -There are plenty of black African civilizations to boot. -East Africans were never Caucasoids. -There is a lot of Eurocentric ideology that needs to be refuted or at least re-examined and corrected.
Bad Afrocentrism: -There were no Caucasoid Egyptians. -All Egyptians were black and those crazy Greeks, Romans, Persians, and Arabs came in and mixed everything up. -the Greeks owe everything to Egypt. -West Africans have connections with Egypt because hey, the Sahara wasn't always there and hey, it coulda happened! DUN DUN DUN! -Hannibal was black, Cleopatra was black, etc. -Colchis was Negroid, etc. -the Caucasoid Berbers are recent Iberian immigrants and aren't the true Berbers, who were black. -There is some kind of black African unity. -European history is biased and cannot be trusted because it was written by Europeans, who as we know are always trying to put the black man down. -Australoids are really just black Africans, and because of this, blacks created the Khmer, Sumerian, Jomon, Olmec, and Harappan civilizations.
I could go on, but there ya go. There's good side to every centrism, but a dark side, as well.
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