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Post by Trog on Jun 26, 2005 12:54:39 GMT -5
It appears Mr Bass has sheepishly decided to log off during this debate. For his return, I present to him Blombos Cave- reported as being the best example of Upper Paleolithic cave-dwelling and a key to understanding human behaviour. Mr Bass seems to have ignored this African Jewell when discussing 'Cave-Dwelling' Europeans (obviously because he wasn't aware of it). Note that from now on, Mr bass is going to use Blombos in his debates. archaeology.about.com/od/bterms/g/blombos.htm
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Post by Requiem on Jun 28, 2005 2:20:08 GMT -5
Europe's oldest civilization has reportedly been discovered by archaeologists -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More than 150 large temples, constructed between 4800 BC and 4600 BC, have been unearthed in fields and cities in Germany, Austria and Slovakia, predating the pyramids in Egypt by some 2,000 years, The Independent newspaper revealed. "Our excavations have revealed the degree of monumental vision and sophistication used by these early farming communities to create Europe's first truly large scale earthwork complexes," said Harald Staeuble, from the Saxony state government's heritage department. The temples, up to 150 metres (164 yards) in diameter, were made by a people who lived in long houses and villages, the newspaper said. Stone, bone, and wooden tools have been unearthed, along with ceramic figures of people and animals. A village at Aythra, near Leipzig in eastern Germany, was home to some 300 people living in up to 20 large buildings around the temple. read more here: news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2005061...23536&printer=1
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Post by topdog on Jun 28, 2005 6:38:06 GMT -5
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Post by topdog on Jun 28, 2005 6:39:58 GMT -5
It appears Mr Bass has sheepishly decided to log off during this debate. For his return, I present to him Blombos Cave- reported as being the best example of Upper Paleolithic cave-dwelling and a key to understanding human behaviour. Mr Bass seems to have ignored this African Jewell when discussing 'Cave-Dwelling' Europeans (obviously because he wasn't aware of it). Note that from now on, Mr bass is going to use Blombos in his debates. archaeology.about.com/od/bterms/g/blombos.htmI've known about Blombos Cave dwellings since the article first appeared. Of course the focus of this thread was *NOT* Africa but Europe. Its amazing how one little question I asked gets blown up to huge size.
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Post by mmmkay on Jun 28, 2005 13:42:34 GMT -5
Dude, don't bait people here with stuff like that, we already know their predilections. They WILL counter-attack with silly stereotypes and viewpoints, because they as a group feel are being attacked, so they feel the need to attack the *offending group. In this case, as in many it's africans/blacks.
If europeans descended from cave-dwellers who cares? Think they flew around in spaceships? Every group has had rather humble begginings, what matters now is what we as humanity are doing with the future and what benefit our present technology will bring us. Who cares about the past, thats over.
What I don't respect is racial collectivism "my group did this vs your group" . If you are willing to accept the accomplishments of a group, be prepared to take up its liabilities. Whatever "group" accomplishments are. Groups can't accomplish a single idea or technology, that is create a idea/technology simoultaneosly. A "group" accomplishment is making a scyscraper or something, but you can't claim a whole race created it.
People, find another source of pride besides race. Like your own accomplishments for instance. Individualism, ruggedness, not pansy racial collectivism, thats a harmful and counter-productive idea.
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Post by Trog on Jun 28, 2005 16:38:50 GMT -5
It appears Mr Bass has sheepishly decided to log off during this debate. For his return, I present to him Blombos Cave- reported as being the best example of Upper Paleolithic cave-dwelling and a key to understanding human behaviour. Mr Bass seems to have ignored this African Jewell when discussing 'Cave-Dwelling' Europeans (obviously because he wasn't aware of it). Note that from now on, Mr bass is going to use Blombos in his debates. archaeology.about.com/od/bterms/g/blombos.htmI've known about Blombos Cave dwellings since the article first appeared. Of course the focus of this thread was *NOT* Africa but Europe. Its amazing how one little question I asked gets blown up to huge size. It's clear that you were going down the road of the Cave-Dwelling Caucasian thing (i.e. neandethal-like creature) that Afrocentrics love to imagine as inhabiting Europe before being civilised by the 'black' Cro-Magnon. You're a marcus garvey protege: www.marcusgarvey.com/wmview.php?ArtID=559&page=1
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Post by Trog on Jun 28, 2005 16:40:39 GMT -5
Just like I said, you have now been awakened to a part of African history you never even knew existed because you were so blinded by the idea of " savage, cave-dwelling caucasians" .
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Post by Trog on Jun 28, 2005 17:07:41 GMT -5
Mr Garvey, I presume? It is difficult'to square this with the almost certain fact that the Aurig-nacians came from Africa and were "Negroids." "Aurignacian culture was brought into Western Europe from North Africa by new types of men, and these and all subsequent races and their cultures have been ternied Neanthropic; usually all these races are grouped under the designation Homo
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Post by Trog on Jun 28, 2005 19:47:11 GMT -5
BTW Bass, why don't you use one of those examples of original rock art as your avatar, instead of that horrible Afrodali "art". It looks like a Salvador Dali rip-off. Dali painted some great examples of drug-induced surrealism, if you like that kind of vulgar beauty, but that thing you show is just tacky.
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Post by topdog on Jun 29, 2005 1:01:17 GMT -5
I've known about Blombos Cave dwellings since the article first appeared. Of course the focus of this thread was *NOT* Africa but Europe. Its amazing how one little question I asked gets blown up to huge size. It's clear that you were going down the road of the Cave-Dwelling Caucasian thing (i.e. neandethal-like creature) that Afrocentrics love to imagine as inhabiting Europe before being civilised by the 'black' Cro-Magnon. You're a marcus garvey protege: www.marcusgarvey.com/wmview.php?ArtID=559&page=1Still attempting to smear me again I see. You're clueless, but anyways, I simply asked a question and I've never stated that Cro-Magnons were blacks or that they civilized anyone, but since your game is to smear me as much as you can to make me the bad guy[just one look on the old RMMB and one can see who's really the bad person] I'd rather refute quickly your nonsense.
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Post by topdog on Jun 29, 2005 1:05:58 GMT -5
Mr Garvey, I presume? It is difficult'to square this with the almost certain fact that the Aurig-nacians came from Africa and were "Negroids." "Aurignacian culture was brought into Western Europe from North Africa by new types of men, and these and all subsequent races and their cultures have been ternied Neanthropic; usually all these races are grouped under the designation Homo
Stupid, when did I ever say the Aurignacian came from Africa? If anything, I was refuting racialreality's use of Coon's data that spoke of an 'East African' Aurignacian Man' that was supoosedly 'Caucasoid'. Published data indicates that the Aurignacian mostly likely came from Siberia with the spread on M173 along with it; no published data states that the Aurignacian comes from Africa. My strength lis in citing published data, so if you're going to smear me at least provide a link of direct quote of me ever stating what you claim I'm supposedly citing.
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Post by topdog on Jun 29, 2005 1:07:52 GMT -5
Just like I said, you have now been awakened to a part of African history you never even knew existed because you were so blinded by the idea of " savage, cave-dwelling caucasians" . This is where you're stupid once again, I just made a thread arguing against the notion that Cro-Magnons wqere Caucasoids so why would I promote the idea of cave dwelling Caucasians? You're stupid in your attempts to smear me.
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Post by asdf on Jul 2, 2005 3:07:43 GMT -5
Aren't congoids nothing but an extention of the jungle-dwelling pygmies?
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Post by yigal on Jul 2, 2005 17:24:46 GMT -5
whites dwell in caves blacks live in mudhuts ayrabs in the dessert injuns in teepees eskimos in igloos hispanic in mud and straw shacks is that racist? maybe but it also was true at some point i dont see what your point is you wanna be offensive and call whites cavemen but forget blacks lived in mudhuts, everybody was uncivilized at one point , some still but its not racial, india is going from dirt ditch to techsupport mecca,africa is also industrializing it all takes time but it happens eventually, i was in israel the kibbutzim which once where a milk/farm industry have turned into fiber optics, its insane but hey its live
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Post by shango on Jul 2, 2005 19:02:46 GMT -5
Charlie and others,
The original humans who came out of Africa are an offshoot of apes who lived in the savana and who were made intelligent by ELOHIM. That's Genesis where Adam was created i.e. an ape was suped up into a modern man.
Some Africans took shelter in caves, some had huts, some lived in mudbrich houses.
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