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Post by mike2 on Jun 17, 2005 4:37:17 GMT -5
the "gay argument" is too political, not relevant. But for me calling it a homo language has nothing to do with politics. I just can't stand the sound of it. It's melodramatic, pompous, overly romantic. Gaudy, in a word. When I'm cussing somebody out I don't want it to sound like I'm serenading some fair lady at the grand ball, you see.
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Post by nockwasright on Jun 17, 2005 5:04:53 GMT -5
Chill, it's all in good fun. Everybody thinks their language is the best. Americans are no different. But we've got an edge being a superpower and all. there's nothing wrong in bashing a language, mike, you have just to use real argument : for me, French is a bad language, because, i noticed that when one speaks French (in first language) he can technically speak any other language, French is too articulate and pompous, but it's a good language for sophisticated thoughts and analysis... the "gay argument" is too political, not relevant. Well, before the language stuff, I think the berber Pope may have been Gelasius, dead in the 496. Of his is known that he was "Romanus natus" but "natione Afer" then it is not clear if it was just a Roman born in Africa or an African. Ok, who cares. As for the language, your comment, Amksa, about French is the same of Cioran (Rumenian who writes in French) who said French is a very precise, articulate and scientific language and that only in the French literature one can find a struggling effort to master the language and be precise by the writers, while other languages allows a less precise and more spontaneous expression. This is quite a sloppy version of the original thought however, as I don't have the book here. Finally, it's not just Mike, I find French very gay flavoured too. It is a common place in Italy that French is a "gay sounding" language. Don't know why, maybe beacause it forces the face to assume expressions that we associate with being gay, as putting the mouth in a kissing position (o of garcon). What do you think?
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Post by amksa on Jun 17, 2005 6:20:21 GMT -5
i found all this gay argument strange, because american and italian language, in my Berber view, sound exactely like french : weak, not necessarily gay, but the same way, i mean "soft." Italian : sounds like if you have to dress like a clown in order to enter in the proper mood, when i hear some one speaks italian i can't take his words seriously.
American : annoying language, when i think to americans speaking i see immediatly Ross character from "Friend" screaming like a woman... the expression and syntaxe are un-masculine.
French : too articulate, when one speaks french, he should abandon hope to speak another language, this is a language for void and inept patters, pompous.
the only european language which sounds very harsh and as masculine that my first dialect (the Shluh) is German with all the guttural sounds.
the gay argument is a political argument, i think, because if you heard Lino ventura or Jean Gabin speaking or any other rough guy, Depardieu represents the way french talk, you would not find out that they sound homosexual. i think that's the opposite, French sound very vulgar and agressive when low class people speak it. never seen a guy putting the mouth in kissing position when talking, i think you are referring to olivier martinez or the ex-husband of juliette binoche.
plus, i don't think that someone need to make faces in order to speak a proper French... this gay argument is a sophism, based on hatred and anti-frenchism, but it's not that bad, french are racists too and i will call it "karma" if they are disliked, because French weren't/aren't fair themselves with Maghrebis... like one can say in French : bien fait pour leur gueule !
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Post by amksa on Jun 17, 2005 6:22:15 GMT -5
thanks, nock, for Gelasius !
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Post by nockwasright on Jun 17, 2005 11:17:46 GMT -5
thanks, nock, for Gelasius ! You are welcome!
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Post by Igu on Jun 17, 2005 17:16:29 GMT -5
there is a new trend in dodona : the offtopics!!
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Post by iberomaurusian on Jun 17, 2005 17:19:27 GMT -5
Igu, post pictures of nice looking kabyle women to make sure no-one will go offtopic!
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Post by mike2 on Jun 17, 2005 17:28:54 GMT -5
I have a question about Kabyles: Are they normally as white-skinned as those guys in the center pic of Igu's signature?
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Post by Igu on Jun 17, 2005 17:36:04 GMT -5
I have a question about Kabyles: Are they normally as white-skinned as those guys in the center pic of Igu's signature? -I did not put that pic because they are pale-skinned, it's because they are wearing like warriors Representitive kabyles:
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Post by Igu on Jun 17, 2005 17:38:02 GMT -5
Igu, post pictures of nice looking kabyle women to make sure no-one will go offtopic! some future-hotty kabyle girls (should not be interpreted as paedophilia):
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Post by mike2 on Jun 17, 2005 17:39:41 GMT -5
*books ticket to Algeria immediately*
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Post by iberomaurusian on Jun 17, 2005 17:42:56 GMT -5
I have a question about Kabyles: Are they normally as white-skinned as those guys in the center pic of Igu's signature? I'm whiter than those, Mike!
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Post by Igu on Jun 17, 2005 17:43:01 GMT -5
*books ticket to Algeria immediately* You touch, you get married, I'm not joking, my cousin got married like that!
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Post by amksa on Jun 18, 2005 3:30:47 GMT -5
don't know if i'm offtopic, but i always thought that kabyles girls were the cutest Berber, along with the central moroccan Berber.
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Post by DeLacroix on Jun 18, 2005 9:32:26 GMT -5
Oh really? that's wonderful, Ô great white berter, that's tremendous ! Avoid walking under the sun, use cosmetic products, and sun-screens , to preserve your whiteness. Humanity needs you. ;D In all seriousness, you must consult a psychologist, I smell a low self-esteem in your posts. ;D
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