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Post by Faelcind on May 24, 2005 16:04:38 GMT -5
Crimson the colonies of the greeks, and phonecian/carthagians were only on the medditerean seaboard and made up a tiny part of the landmass of gaul.
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Bryce
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Post by Bryce on May 27, 2005 16:09:13 GMT -5
I think that French still deeply believe that they are related to Astérix and Obélix... and even to Idéfix. i think that self-representation is more important that reality and racial classification. no one could really prevent a Marseillais to believe that he's from the same racial stock than a Lillois or a Breton. however, Saracens (and their ancestors, the Numides) probably settled in South of France long before the arrival of the "Beurs" (= the second generation of the North African immigration.) Asterix and his crew! ;D Excellent ! No, believe me, most of us Frenchies don't buy these generalisations any more, many people are bent on regionalist cultural movements, which tends to underscore differences rather than gather everyone under a Gaulish banner. Having a partly Keltic heritage is a certitude, but it doesn't really weave a strong tie between the provinces. As to the Saracens, they certainly brought their contribution to the gene flow. No one, except purity-obsessed specimens, is upset about that.
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Post by buddyrydell on May 28, 2005 15:00:30 GMT -5
I think it's a safe assumption that most French people have some Gallic ancestry. I'd say a predominantly Celtic population with some Iberian, Roman, Germanic, Slavic, and Saracen additions gave rise to the modern Frenchmen. Of course the later immigration of people from other parts of Europe, North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, and the former French Indochina in SE Asia also have had a lesser impact, but I'm referring the indigenous European Frenchmen.
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Post by Platypus on May 28, 2005 17:18:05 GMT -5
The problem with the Saracen heritage in France is their religion. Those who stayed must have gradually converted to Christianity. The Saracens in France would have been Muslim mercenaries of Spanish, North African, Sicilian and Cretese origin.
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