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Post by alexandrian on May 1, 2005 17:05:07 GMT -5
My great grandfather went to south Africa during the gold rush, he was Somali and considered colored, I am guessing colored meant black. No, it meant mixed race.
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Post by Soomaal on May 1, 2005 17:14:32 GMT -5
LOL He was pure African like me, damn I wonder what you had to look like to be considered black.LOL
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Post by De Fontaine on May 2, 2005 4:15:54 GMT -5
Being 'white' was and still is very murky in SA, given South Africa's history its hard to tell who is and who isnt.
The majority of Boers[white dutch/german south africans]dont know about their Slave Stamouers [slave ancestors] or dont wish to know and have managed to draw out any non white ancestry over the years. Pre apartheid race mixing was much more common then it is now.
I think they did some genetics related tests back in the 70s that concluded that white south africans have 8 to 10% non white ancestry.
F.W de klerk is a good example with his bengali slave ancestry. Then the truly vile 'white' south african nationalist /supremacist Terre Blanche below who looks not unlike my father below
who has very close/strong black ancestry on both sides.
My father's family all classified and 'played' as white in south africa[for better trains/services et al], though they all have black ancestry.The term then and now was a 'play white'. I think the relatively late Anglo/english population are the only white 'whites'.
Many coloureds could have passed as white,arab, jew,or even asian[there is alot of asian influence in coloureds] and then classfied as white/other white.
I believe arabs were classfied as other white,Asians as white.The whole thing was and still is a ridiculous farce.Were mediterraneans (spanish, italians, portuguese, greeks, turks) white? Were Arabs white? Were Iranians white? What about Sephardic Jews? Egyptians?
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CCC
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Post by CCC on May 2, 2005 15:41:21 GMT -5
Being 'white' was and still is very murky in SA, given South Africa's history its hard to tell who is and who isnt.
The majority of Boers[white dutch/german south africans]dont know about their Slave Stamouers [slave ancestors] or dont wish to know and have managed to draw out any non white ancestry over the years. Pre apartheid race mixing was much more common then it is now.
I think they did some genetics related tests back in the 70s that concluded that white south africans have 8 to 10% non white ancestry.
F.W de klerk is a good example with his bengali slave ancestry. Then the truly vile 'white' south african nationalist /supremacist Terre Blanche below who looks not unlike my father below
who has very close/strong black ancestry on both sides.
My father's family all classified and 'played' as white in south africa[for better trains/services et al], though they all have black ancestry.The term then and now was a 'play white'. I think the relatively late Anglo/english population are the only white 'whites'.
Many coloureds could have passed as white,arab, jew,or even asian[there is alot of asian influence in coloureds] and then classfied as white/other white.
I believe arabs were classfied as other white,Asians as white.The whole thing was and still is a ridiculous farce. It wasn't too long ago that my Afrikaner family re"discovered" its Hottentot and Malay ancestry. Funny thing is the militant ones still consider themselves "white" and the Afrikaner community has been fully embraced by the white supremist community, in fact on many of their websites, and literature they take up the fight for their "Afrikaner" bretheren to have and establish a "white homeland" in Africa. Its funny how easy it is for us to bend and change our own rules when the norm inconveniences the arguement.
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Post by De Fontaine on May 3, 2005 17:38:02 GMT -5
They might find it impossible to grasp that they have slave ancestry,but I still find it detestable to think I have afrikaner ancestry given the horrors they have committed over many centuries. It wasn't too long ago that my Afrikaner family re"discovered" its Hottentot and Malay ancestry. Funny thing is the militant ones still consider themselves "white" and the Afrikaner community has been fully embraced by the white supremist community, in fact on many of their websites, and literature they take up the fight for their "Afrikaner" bretheren to have and establish a "white homeland" in Africa. Its funny how easy it is for us to bend and change our own rules when the norm inconveniences the arguement.
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Post by mike2 on May 3, 2005 19:02:05 GMT -5
They mind find it impossible to grasp that they have slave ancestry,but I still find it detestable to think I have afrikaner ancestry given the horrors they have committed over many centuries. You should feel no shame for what your ancestors have done because you had nothing to do with it. You are your own man and should be proud of what good heritage you do have. You are not your father and you owe no man anything.
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Post by PARMENION on May 6, 2005 14:21:04 GMT -5
I was grown up in South Africa.I am Greek and i was concidered ( and i am! ) white.Greeks belonged to the "Europeans".
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