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Post by hanan on Apr 20, 2005 16:40:55 GMT -5
Racism is very uncool, right? I'm sure most of you would agree. On this board there are always posts riddled with racisim. Sometimes the racism is overt. Other times it is covert, but obvious nonetheless. Words used such as "progressive" when referring to a sub-race sound scientific and objective, but are definitely showing a form of racism. But none of this really bothers me that much, because hey, this board is not PC and that is what makes it interesting. People are honest. What does make me sad is that nobody comes to the defence of certain races/sub-races unless they are of that race. Let me explain. Person A calls Asians unattractive, chinky, hormonally lacking, etc. And nobody gets upset except the Asians. People who are not Asian should get upset also, because racism sucks. It reminds me of all the Germans who went along with Hitler because they figured well, at least it isn't me he's killing so why should I care.
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Post by Circe on Apr 20, 2005 17:51:32 GMT -5
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—<br>because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—<br>because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—<br>because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—<br>because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me—<br>and there was no one left to speak out." - Martin Niemöller
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Post by murphee on Apr 20, 2005 18:16:43 GMT -5
Yes, it is sad in my opinion, but what I like about this board is that it is not stifled by 'political correctness.' I am not a racist, but if someone wants to air his beliefs in a civil manner, it does not bother me because I know that: A) Racism exists. It's a fact of life, regardless of my opinion of it. B) I have learned very much about how other peoples' minds work by reading posts I completely disagree with. It is a form of education for me. I do not want their voices silenced as long as they are not rude.
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Post by vela on Apr 20, 2005 18:30:45 GMT -5
@hanan, I think is not fair to make a broad statement like yours and then apply it to all posters here.
As long as criticism to a particular ethnic group is something along the lines of your samples, like unattractiveness, etc., I don't see why we should be outraged or anything like it. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion and tastes.
On the contrary, if someone makes an offensive remark directed to a person or a particular ethnic group, you can be sure that you'll see someone reacting against it, regardless of race.
That Hitler example is a little bit extreme, don't you think?
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Post by Melnorme on Apr 20, 2005 18:33:12 GMT -5
Well...it is kind of a free-for-all here, I guess.
After all, in the end, we're all just ( hopefully perfect ) strangers on this forum. When in public, people are generally expected to fend for themselves...
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Post by murphee on Apr 20, 2005 19:19:11 GMT -5
Agreed that ethnic slurs of all kinds should not be allowed.
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Post by murphee on Apr 20, 2005 19:20:09 GMT -5
Slurs are rude and uncivil.
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Post by henerte on Apr 20, 2005 19:41:51 GMT -5
I was hoping one of you mods would've given uighurkazak1988 a warning for using the word "chink" though... I wonder if the reaction would've been muted if it was a word offensive to southern Caucasian groups. he was banned from stirpes a few hours ago...for insulting kurds I think
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Post by SensoUnico on Apr 20, 2005 23:39:42 GMT -5
The word is an ethnic/racial slur and should be censured. He does not like being told he looks like a Han person. Well in western China there are millions of mandarin speaking Chinese and Uighurs that look like him. So looking like one of the versions of Han people is right for him. He certainly does not look Cypriot of any type.
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Post by captainusa1 on Apr 20, 2005 23:53:35 GMT -5
Why do you consider "progressive" to be a racist word? That word is used in the USA to describe people who have very liberal social views. There's nothing ethnic or racial about it. I'm not saying that you're this way, but some people make a racial issue out of everything.
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Post by Faelcind on Apr 21, 2005 0:42:30 GMT -5
Captain refer to QVP's posts for an instructional in the use of progressive as signfier of racial superiority.
Hanan I try to defend all racial types and think I have.
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Post by topdog on Apr 21, 2005 1:52:39 GMT -5
The overt racism isn't as bad as the covert racism. I've seen several posts here by members that have had racist overtones and have seen those posters attempt to pass it off as a matter of preference or choice and their target has always been black people.
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Post by nockwasright on Apr 21, 2005 4:58:47 GMT -5
Racism is very uncool, right? I'm sure most of you would agree. On this board there are always posts riddled with racisim. Sometimes the racism is overt. Other times it is covert, but obvious nonetheless. Words used such as "progressive" when referring to a sub-race sound scientific and objective, but are definitely showing a form of racism. But none of this really bothers me that much, because hey, this board is not PC and that is what makes it interesting. People are honest. What does make me sad is that nobody comes to the defence of certain races/sub-races unless they are of that race. Let me explain. Person A calls Asians unattractive, chinky, hormonally lacking, etc. And nobody gets upset except the Asians. People who are not Asian should get upset also, because racism sucks. It reminds me of all the Germans who went along with Hitler because they figured well, at least it isn't me he's killing so why should I care. I think the meaning of the word "racist" should be defined before making this kind of discussion. However being "racist" is allowed (and rightly so) on this board as long as one does not use racial slurls or tries to reasonably ground his assertions. I also perceive the use somebody does of the word "progressive" as racist, but I think this is perfectly legitimate on this board (btw, I think this use of the word "progressive" is actually very primitive, as already said in another thread). I agree with Charlie Bass, if he intended so, that there is no need to be covert racist here, and the expressely racist are more honest. I also agree that Black people are the most usual target of any form racism on this board covert or not, but this just reflects what happens in this world in this time period. I do definitely not agree with you Hanan, when you say no one stands for others than his kind. Most members stand all the time to defend what they consider true or reasonable regardless of their "race".
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Post by mike2 on Apr 21, 2005 5:03:06 GMT -5
Charlie mentioned there is covert racism against the colored folk here. That may be true, but I think black people are regarded with distrust here not because of racism, but because we don't want them leaving the board telling their friends that the Egyptians or Olmecs were black or some such thing. It's more about racial politics and preventing the spread of misinformation than racism itself in the case of the blacks here. It may be racist to think that blacks are more susceptible to this kind of outright misinformation, but we think so nonetheless.
I don't have any problem with blacks, but I'm not gonna kiss their asses either. I'm here to offer my insight into the racial types of the world not to trod through a quagmire of "Don't say that horrible n-word, it's offensive!" It's only offensive when people let it be offensive. Words are words. When you stop reacting to them with anger or hatred they lose their power almost immediately. If I was a black man, I'd say that I have no problem being a nigger.
"Nigger means black anyway and I'm certainly proud to be black. Wouldn't have it any other way, my brother."
You see... the word is completely stripped of its malodious properties when you take it with a grain of salt. Am I idealistic about this? Yer damned right I am. The way to overthrow the racists is to not be offended by them. That would horrify them.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Apr 21, 2005 5:36:06 GMT -5
Racism is an opinion. People must be allowed to have their own opinions. Everyone can be as racist as they want as long as they don't use ethnic slurs or spread misinformation about races. On the other hand, I expect the same attitude back. I don't tell racists or whatever to date or mate interracially, and they sure as hell have no right telling me I must stick to my subrace/ethnicity. It's a two-way street.
Just because some of us don't "defend" races/subraces that are being attacked by someone doesn't mean we agree with them. It's just that some people can't be reasoned with so why bother.
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